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From: ebiederm-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org (Eric W. Biederman)
To: Oleg Nesterov <oleg-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] pid_ns: Introduce ioctl to set vector of ns_last_pid's on ns hierarhy
Date: Tue, 02 May 2017 12:22:39 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87inljjhr4.fsf@xmission.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170502163324.GA25036-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> (Oleg Nesterov's message of "Tue, 2 May 2017 18:33:25 +0200")

Oleg Nesterov <oleg-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> writes:

> sorry for delay, vacation...
>
> On 04/28, Kirill Tkhai wrote:
>>
>> On 27.04.2017 19:22, Oleg Nesterov wrote:
>> >
>> > Ah, OK, I didn't notice the ns->child_reaper check in pidns_for_children_get().
>> >
>> > But note that it doesn't need tasklist_lock too.
>>
>> Hm, are there possible strange situations with memory ordering, when we see
>> ns->child_reaper of already died ns, which was placed in the same memory?
>> Do we have to use some memory barriers here?
>
> Could you spell please? I don't understand your concerns...
>
> I don't see how, say,
>
> 	static struct ns_common *pidns_for_children_get(struct task_struct *task)
> 	{
> 		struct ns_common *ns = NULL;
> 		struct pid_namespace *pid_ns;
>
> 		task_lock(task);
> 		if (task->nsproxy) {
> 			pid_ns = task->nsproxy->pid_ns_for_children;
> 			if (pid_ns->child_reaper) {
> 				ns = &pid_ns->ns;
> 				get_pid_ns(ns);
> 			}
> 		}
> 		task_unlock(task);
>
> 		return ns;
> 	}
>
> can be wrong. It also looks more clean to me.
>
> ->child_reaper is not stable without tasklist, it can be dead/etc, but
> we do not care?

It breaks a number of assumptions if you can join a pid namespace before
an init process is created in that pid namespace.  Checking for
child_reaper is a bit heavy handed but appears to ensure all of the
assumptions of initial pid namespace creation have been met.

Which means your simplified pidns_for_children_get is a bit insufficient.

Eric

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From: ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman)
To: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>
Cc: Kirill Tkhai <ktkhai@virtuozzo.com>,
	serge@hallyn.com, agruenba@redhat.com, linux-api@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, paul@paul-moore.com,
	viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk, avagin@openvz.org,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, mtk.manpages@gmail.com,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, luto@amacapital.net,
	gorcunov@openvz.org, mingo@kernel.org, keescook@chromium.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] pid_ns: Introduce ioctl to set vector of ns_last_pid's on ns hierarhy
Date: Tue, 02 May 2017 12:22:39 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87inljjhr4.fsf@xmission.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170502163324.GA25036@redhat.com> (Oleg Nesterov's message of "Tue, 2 May 2017 18:33:25 +0200")

Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com> writes:

> sorry for delay, vacation...
>
> On 04/28, Kirill Tkhai wrote:
>>
>> On 27.04.2017 19:22, Oleg Nesterov wrote:
>> >
>> > Ah, OK, I didn't notice the ns->child_reaper check in pidns_for_children_get().
>> >
>> > But note that it doesn't need tasklist_lock too.
>>
>> Hm, are there possible strange situations with memory ordering, when we see
>> ns->child_reaper of already died ns, which was placed in the same memory?
>> Do we have to use some memory barriers here?
>
> Could you spell please? I don't understand your concerns...
>
> I don't see how, say,
>
> 	static struct ns_common *pidns_for_children_get(struct task_struct *task)
> 	{
> 		struct ns_common *ns = NULL;
> 		struct pid_namespace *pid_ns;
>
> 		task_lock(task);
> 		if (task->nsproxy) {
> 			pid_ns = task->nsproxy->pid_ns_for_children;
> 			if (pid_ns->child_reaper) {
> 				ns = &pid_ns->ns;
> 				get_pid_ns(ns);
> 			}
> 		}
> 		task_unlock(task);
>
> 		return ns;
> 	}
>
> can be wrong. It also looks more clean to me.
>
> ->child_reaper is not stable without tasklist, it can be dead/etc, but
> we do not care?

It breaks a number of assumptions if you can join a pid namespace before
an init process is created in that pid namespace.  Checking for
child_reaper is a bit heavy handed but appears to ensure all of the
assumptions of initial pid namespace creation have been met.

Which means your simplified pidns_for_children_get is a bit insufficient.

Eric

  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-05-02 17:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-04-17 17:34 [PATCH 0/2] nsfs: Introduce ioctl to set vector of ns_last_pid's on pid ns hierarhy Kirill Tkhai
2017-04-17 17:34 ` Kirill Tkhai
     [not found] ` <149245014695.17600.12640895883798122726.stgit-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
2017-04-17 17:36   ` [PATCH 1/2] nsfs: Add namespace-specific ioctl (NS_SPECIFIC_IOC) Kirill Tkhai
2017-04-17 17:36     ` Kirill Tkhai
2017-04-17 17:36 ` [PATCH 2/2] pid_ns: Introduce ioctl to set vector of ns_last_pid's on ns hierarhy Kirill Tkhai
2017-04-17 17:36   ` Kirill Tkhai
     [not found]   ` <149245057248.17600.1341652606136269734.stgit-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
2017-04-19 20:27     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-04-19 20:27       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-04-24 19:03     ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2017-04-24 19:03       ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2017-04-26 15:53     ` Oleg Nesterov
2017-04-26 15:53       ` Oleg Nesterov
     [not found]       ` <20170426155352.GA12131-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2017-04-26 16:11         ` Kirill Tkhai
2017-04-26 16:11           ` Kirill Tkhai
     [not found]           ` <785e1986-da03-72aa-06c0-234ed2dbc0fd-5HdwGun5lf+gSpxsJD1C4w@public.gmane.org>
2017-04-26 16:33             ` Kirill Tkhai
2017-04-26 16:33               ` Kirill Tkhai
     [not found]               ` <005f52d9-efbe-9eaa-7f36-19945c8b06c3-5HdwGun5lf+gSpxsJD1C4w@public.gmane.org>
2017-04-26 16:32                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-04-26 16:32                   ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                   ` <87h91bcep5.fsf-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2017-04-26 16:43                     ` Kirill Tkhai
2017-04-26 16:43                       ` Kirill Tkhai
2017-04-26 17:01                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-04-26 17:01                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-04-27 16:12             ` Oleg Nesterov
2017-04-27 16:12               ` Oleg Nesterov
2017-04-27 16:17               ` Kirill Tkhai
2017-04-27 16:17                 ` Kirill Tkhai
     [not found]                 ` <fdd61d9c-6f88-1669-4d12-31748395fe99-5HdwGun5lf+gSpxsJD1C4w@public.gmane.org>
2017-04-27 16:22                   ` Oleg Nesterov
2017-04-27 16:22                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2017-04-28  9:17                     ` Kirill Tkhai
2017-04-28  9:17                       ` Kirill Tkhai
2017-05-02 16:33                       ` Oleg Nesterov
     [not found]                         ` <20170502163324.GA25036-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2017-05-02 17:22                           ` Eric W. Biederman [this message]
2017-05-02 17:22                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-05-02 17:33                           ` Kirill Tkhai
2017-05-02 17:33                             ` Kirill Tkhai
     [not found]                             ` <de392430-18b8-d296-b868-82fdedcd0c0e-5HdwGun5lf+gSpxsJD1C4w@public.gmane.org>
2017-05-02 21:13                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-05-02 21:13                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                                 ` <8737cngdxi.fsf-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2017-05-03 10:20                                   ` Kirill Tkhai
2017-05-03 10:20                                     ` Kirill Tkhai
2017-04-27 16:39                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-04-27 16:39                     ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                     ` <87o9vhztwv.fsf-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2017-04-28  9:22                       ` Kirill Tkhai
2017-04-28  9:22                         ` Kirill Tkhai
2017-04-27 16:16           ` Oleg Nesterov

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