From: Nix <nix@esperi.org.uk>
To: Al Viro <viro@ZenIV.linux.org.uk>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
Mauro Carvalho Chehab <mchehab@redhat.com>,
Ming Lei <ming.lei@canonical.com>,
Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Linux Media Mailing List <linux-media@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: udev breakages -
Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2012 11:35:19 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87ipaq1q54.fsf@spindle.srvr.nix> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87pq4z12c1.fsf@spindle.srvr.nix> (nix@esperi.org.uk's message of "Thu, 04 Oct 2012 01:57:18 +0100")
[Kay removed because I don't like emailing arguable flamebait directly
to the person flamed.]
On 4 Oct 2012, nix@esperi.org.uk stated:
> By udev 175 I, and a lot of other people, had simply stopped upgrading
> udev entirely on the grounds that we could no longer tolerate the
> uncertainty over whether our systems would boot every time we upgraded
> it, for no discernible benefit. Yes, all the incompatible changes are
> (or were, as of udev 175) called out in the release notes -- but there
> are so *many* of them, it's easy to miss one. And they all seem so
> completely unnecessary, and their implications for your system
> configuration grow more and more invasive all the time.
In the bright light of day I realize that this post is not as off-topic
for this thread as it appears. This is all of a piece. The udev
maintainer insists that everyone else adapt to udev's demands: before
now, it has been users, sysadmins, and userspace who must adapt, but now
is is pushing its demands in the other direction as well: this thread is
the result.
--
NULL && (void)
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2012-10-04 10:35 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 84+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2012-06-21 13:36 [PATCH] [media] drxk: change it to use request_firmware_nowait() Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2012-06-21 14:21 ` Devin Heitmueller
2012-06-21 15:09 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2012-06-21 19:10 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2012-06-22 14:11 ` Marko Ristola
2012-06-25 19:15 ` Antti Palosaari
2012-06-25 20:06 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2012-06-25 20:47 ` Need of an ".async_probe()" type of callback at driver's core - Was: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2012-06-25 20:49 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2012-06-25 22:33 ` Greg KH
2012-06-26 1:55 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2012-06-26 19:34 ` [PATCH RFC 0/4] Defer probe() on em28xx when firmware load is required Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2012-06-26 19:34 ` [PATCH RFC 1/4] kmod: add a routine to return if usermode is disabled Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2012-06-26 20:38 ` Greg KH
2012-06-26 21:05 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2012-06-26 19:34 ` [PATCH RFC 2/4] em28xx: defer probe() if userspace mode " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2012-06-26 20:43 ` Greg KH
2012-06-26 21:30 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2012-06-26 19:34 ` [PATCH RFC 3/4] em28xx: Workaround for new udev versions Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2012-06-26 20:40 ` Greg KH
2012-06-26 21:07 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2012-06-26 21:56 ` Kay Sievers
2012-06-26 20:42 ` Greg KH
2012-06-26 21:21 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2012-06-26 21:27 ` Greg KH
2012-06-26 22:01 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2012-06-28 17:51 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2012-06-26 19:34 ` [PATCH RFC 4/4] tuner-xc2028: tag the usual firmwares to help dracut Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2012-06-26 20:44 ` Greg KH
2012-06-26 21:34 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2012-10-02 13:03 ` udev breakages - was: Re: Need of an ".async_probe()" type of callback at driver's core - Was: Re: [PATCH] [media] drxk: change it to use request_firmware_nowait() Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2012-10-02 16:33 ` Linus Torvalds
2012-10-02 21:03 ` Ivan Kalvachev
2012-10-02 22:37 ` Linus Torvalds
2012-10-03 22:15 ` Lucas De Marchi
2012-10-11 18:33 ` Shea Levy
2012-10-12 1:55 ` Ming Lei
2012-10-02 22:12 ` Greg KH
2012-10-02 22:23 ` Greg KH
2012-10-02 22:47 ` Linus Torvalds
2012-10-03 0:01 ` Jiri Kosina
2012-10-03 0:12 ` Linus Torvalds
2012-10-04 14:36 ` Jiri Kosina
2012-10-03 15:13 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2012-10-03 16:38 ` Linus Torvalds
2012-10-03 17:00 ` Linus Torvalds
2012-10-03 17:09 ` Al Viro
2012-10-03 17:32 ` Linus Torvalds
2012-10-03 19:26 ` Al Viro
2012-10-04 0:57 ` udev breakages - Nix
2012-10-04 10:35 ` Nix [this message]
2012-10-03 19:50 ` udev breakages - was: Re: Need of an ".async_probe()" type of callback at driver's core - Was: Re: [PATCH] [media] drxk: change it to use request_firmware_nowait() Greg KH
2012-10-03 20:39 ` Linus Torvalds
2012-10-03 21:04 ` Kay Sievers
2012-10-03 21:05 ` Greg KH
2012-10-03 21:18 ` Kay Sievers
2012-10-03 21:45 ` Alan Cox
2012-10-03 21:58 ` Lucas De Marchi
2012-10-03 22:17 ` Linus Torvalds
2012-10-03 22:48 ` Andy Walls
2012-10-03 22:58 ` Linus Torvalds
2012-10-04 2:39 ` Kay Sievers
2012-10-04 17:29 ` udev breakages - Eric W. Biederman
2012-10-04 17:42 ` Greg KH
2012-10-04 19:17 ` Alan Cox
2012-10-10 3:19 ` Felipe Contreras
2012-10-10 16:08 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2012-10-11 3:32 ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-10-04 13:39 ` udev breakages - was: Re: Need of an ".async_probe()" type of callback at driver's core - Was: Re: [PATCH] [media] drxk: change it to use request_firmware_nowait() Josh Boyer
2012-10-04 13:58 ` Greg KH
2012-10-03 22:53 ` Stephen Rothwell
2012-10-03 21:10 ` Andy Walls
2012-10-03 19:48 ` Access files from kernel Kirill A. Shutemov
2012-10-03 20:32 ` Linus Torvalds
[not found] ` <CACVXFVNTZmG+zTQNi9mCn9ynsCjkM084TmHKDcYYggtqLfhqNQ@mail.gmail.com>
2012-10-04 1:42 ` udev breakages - was: Re: Need of an ".async_probe()" type of callback at driver's core - Was: Re: [PATCH] [media] drxk: change it to use request_firmware_nowait() Linus Torvalds
2012-10-03 14:12 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2012-10-03 14:36 ` Kay Sievers
2012-10-03 14:44 ` Linus Torvalds
2012-10-03 16:57 ` Greg KH
2012-10-03 17:24 ` Kay Sievers
2012-10-03 18:07 ` Linus Torvalds
2012-10-03 19:46 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2012-06-29 8:26 ` Jean Delvare
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2012-10-04 14:50 ` udev breakages - was: Re: Need of an ".async_probe()" type of callback at driver's core - Was: " Kurt H Maier
2012-10-05 8:03 ` Emmanuel Benisty
2012-10-05 20:17 ` david
2012-10-05 21:43 ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2012-10-06 19:09 ` udev breakages - Nix
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