From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: David Kastrup Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCE] Git v2.0.0 Date: Sat, 31 May 2014 11:52:24 +0200 Message-ID: <87k392e0mf.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> References: <53866e8562b7a_12a7a052f87a@nysa.notmuch> <20140529185311.GB10865@sigill.intra.peff.net> <5388fb283edaf_bd8167d3002b@nysa.notmuch> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Cc: Jeff King , Junio C Hamano , git@vger.kernel.org, git-fc@googlegroups.com To: Felipe Contreras X-From: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Sat May 31 11:52:45 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: gcvg-git-2@plane.gmane.org Received: from vger.kernel.org ([209.132.180.67]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Wqfy0-0002HI-BE for gcvg-git-2@plane.gmane.org; Sat, 31 May 2014 11:52:44 +0200 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1756206AbaEaJwj (ORCPT ); Sat, 31 May 2014 05:52:39 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:44709 "EHLO fencepost.gnu.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1755986AbaEaJwi (ORCPT ); Sat, 31 May 2014 05:52:38 -0400 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43748 helo=lola) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Wqfxt-0002R9-LE; Sat, 31 May 2014 05:52:37 -0400 Received: by lola (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 4FC81E0627; Sat, 31 May 2014 11:52:24 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <5388fb283edaf_bd8167d3002b@nysa.notmuch> (Felipe Contreras's message of "Fri, 30 May 2014 16:42:00 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4.50 (gnu/linux) Sender: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org Archived-At: Felipe Contreras writes: > Jeff King wrote: >> On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 06:17:25PM -0500, Felipe Contreras wrote: >> >> > This is the last mail I sent to you, because you ignore them anyway, and >> > remove them from the mailing list. >> > [...] >> > [2], a mail you conveniently removed from the tracked record. >> > [...] >> > You also conveniently removed this mail from the archives. >> >> I see you already noticed the changes in v2.0, but I wanted to address >> these points, because I consider silent censorship to be a serious >> accusation. > > Yes, I also think silent censorship is a very seriours matter, and I was > very dissapointed that this mailing list would engage in that. > >> I've reported the bug to gmane.discuss (no link yet, as I'm waiting >> for the message to go through, but it is not a high traffic group, so >> it should be easy to find the thread once it is there). > > Thanks. At first I thought that was the reason, but then I noticed it > was always my mails that seemed to get this "bug", so I decided it was > too much of a coincidence. Some mailing list filters and/or spam filters flag mails with too many recipients so that they need to pass through moderation first. The typical threads on this list are short and have few recipients while longer threads, due to the list policy of adding every participants to the Cc, will tend to have more recipients. So there may a bias against long-running threads with multiple participants with regard to timely delivery. And frankly, if I were a list moderator and software asked me through this sort of coincidence whether a mail should be delivered or not and a glance at it shows nothing but insults, wild accusations, threats and so on for the umpteenth time, I'd consider twice clicking "Accept". Whether or not I ultimately did so, this would likely contribute to the delay. -- David Kastrup