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From: Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>
To: Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>
Cc: "Clément Chigot" <chigot@adacore.com>,
	qemu-block@nongnu.org, qemu-devel@nongnu.org, hreitz@redhat.com,
	eblake@redhat.com, "Daniel P. Berrangé" <berrange@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 2/5] vvfat: move fat_type check prior to size setup
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2025 09:17:23 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87ldkddlv0.fsf@pond.sub.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aRIE8ACbqWZ2MPdE@redhat.com> (Kevin Wolf's message of "Mon, 10 Nov 2025 16:29:52 +0100")

Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com> writes:

> Am 10.11.2025 um 14:13 hat Markus Armbruster geschrieben:
>> Clément Chigot <chigot@adacore.com> writes:
>> 
>> > On Mon, Nov 10, 2025 at 11:09 AM Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Clément Chigot <chigot@adacore.com> writes:

[...]

>> >> > So it is a special case in a way, but given that this is vvfat, which is
>> >> > known to be unstable, not widely used outside of the occasional manual
>> >> > use and not supported by libvirt, I'm willing to just make the change.
>> 
>> I'm fine to treat vvfat as unstable.  But it's not marked as such in the
>> QAPI schema!  Is that a bug?  Again, for Kevin.
>
> Maybe? Though the kind of unstable I think of with vvfat is more than
> just API instability that the QAPI feature is about. vvfat is more a
> dirty (and clever) hack that sometimes works and can be useful enough,
> but if it breaks, you get to keep both pieces. Good for one-off uses on
> your personal toy VM, but keep it far away from production. We never
> seriously tried to get it to a properly supportable level.
>
> (And yes, probably none of this is documented as clearly as it should
> be.)

Do we need to differentiate between "unstable interface, may change
incompatibly or be withdrawn in future releases, stay away if you don't
want your software to break when this happens" and "known-wobbly
feature, do not use in production"?

Related ot Daniel's work on marking insecure objects, I think:

    Subject: [PATCH v2 00/32] Encode object type security status in code
    Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2025 15:01:11 +0100
    Message-ID: <20250926140144.1998694-1-berrange@redhat.com>



  parent reply	other threads:[~2025-11-11  8:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-11-07 14:53 [PATCH v2 0/5] block/vvfat: introduce "fat-size" option Clément Chigot
2025-11-07 14:53 ` [PATCH v2 1/5] vvfat: introduce partitioned option Clément Chigot
2025-11-10 10:07   ` Markus Armbruster
2025-11-10 11:09     ` Clément Chigot
2025-11-10 12:55       ` BALATON Zoltan
2025-11-10 13:20         ` Markus Armbruster
2025-11-10 15:08           ` Kevin Wolf
2025-11-10 15:25             ` BALATON Zoltan
2025-11-11  7:43             ` Markus Armbruster
2025-11-14  8:20               ` Clément Chigot
2025-11-14 13:25                 ` BALATON Zoltan
2025-11-14 13:47                   ` Clément Chigot
2025-11-26  9:59                     ` Clément Chigot
2025-11-26 19:27                       ` Kevin Wolf
2025-11-07 14:53 ` [PATCH v2 2/5] vvfat: move fat_type check prior to size setup Clément Chigot
2025-11-10 10:09   ` Markus Armbruster
2025-11-10 11:15     ` Clément Chigot
2025-11-10 13:13       ` Markus Armbruster
2025-11-10 15:29         ` Kevin Wolf
2025-11-11  8:16           ` Markus Armbruster
2025-11-11  8:17           ` Markus Armbruster [this message]
2025-11-07 14:53 ` [PATCH v2 3/5] vvfat: add a define for VVFAT_SECTOR_BITS and VVFAT_SECTOR_SIZE Clément Chigot
2025-11-07 14:53 ` [PATCH v2 4/5] vvfat: move size parameters within driver structure Clément Chigot
2025-11-07 14:53 ` [PATCH v2 5/5] vvfat: add support for "fat-size" options Clément Chigot
2025-11-10 10:13   ` Markus Armbruster
2025-11-10 12:46     ` Clément Chigot
2025-11-10 13:09       ` Markus Armbruster
2025-11-10 13:26         ` Clément Chigot
2025-11-10 13:42           ` Markus Armbruster
2025-11-10 14:04             ` Clément Chigot
2025-11-10 15:20             ` Kevin Wolf
2025-11-10 15:36               ` BALATON Zoltan
2025-11-10 16:31                 ` Kevin Wolf
2025-11-10 21:36                   ` BALATON Zoltan
2025-11-12  9:50                   ` Clément Chigot
2025-11-12 12:29                     ` Kevin Wolf
2025-11-11  7:59               ` Markus Armbruster

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