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From: Roman Gushchin <roman.gushchin@linux.dev>
To: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	 Alexei Starovoitov <ast@kernel.org>,
	Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>,
	 Shakeel Butt <shakeel.butt@linux.dev>,
	 Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	 Andrii Nakryiko <andrii@kernel.org>,
	 JP Kobryn <inwardvessel@gmail.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org,  cgroups@vger.kernel.org,
	 bpf@vger.kernel.org, Martin KaFai Lau <martin.lau@kernel.org>,
	 Song Liu <song@kernel.org>,
	Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi <memxor@gmail.com>,
	 Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 00/23] mm: BPF OOM
Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2025 12:53:53 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87ldkonoke.fsf@linux.dev> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aQSB-BgjKmSkrSO7@tiehlicka> (Michal Hocko's message of "Fri, 31 Oct 2025 10:31:36 +0100")

Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com> writes:

> On Mon 27-10-25 16:17:03, Roman Gushchin wrote:
>> The second part is related to the fundamental question on when to
>> declare the OOM event. It's a trade-off between the risk of
>> unnecessary OOM kills and associated work losses and the risk of
>> infinite trashing and effective soft lockups.  In the last few years
>> several PSI-based userspace solutions were developed (e.g. OOMd [3] or
>> systemd-OOMd [4]). The common idea was to use userspace daemons to
>> implement custom OOM logic as well as rely on PSI monitoring to avoid
>> stalls. In this scenario the userspace daemon was supposed to handle
>> the majority of OOMs, while the in-kernel OOM killer worked as the
>> last resort measure to guarantee that the system would never deadlock
>> on the memory. But this approach creates additional infrastructure
>> churn: userspace OOM daemon is a separate entity which needs to be
>> deployed, updated, monitored. A completely different pipeline needs to
>> be built to monitor both types of OOM events and collect associated
>> logs. A userspace daemon is more restricted in terms on what data is
>> available to it. Implementing a daemon which can work reliably under a
>> heavy memory pressure in the system is also tricky.
>
> I do not see this part addressed in the series. Am I just missing
> something or this will follow up once the initial (plugging to the
> existing OOM handling) is merged?

Did you receive patches 11-23?
git send-email failed on patch 10, so I had to send the second part separately.
It seems like the second part did at least to some recipients, as I got
feedback to some patches from that part.

In any case, you can find the whole series here:
https://github.com/rgushchin/linux/tree/bpfoom.2

And thank you for reviewing the series!

  parent reply	other threads:[~2025-11-02 20:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 86+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-10-27 23:17 [PATCH v2 00/23] mm: BPF OOM Roman Gushchin
2025-10-27 23:17 ` [PATCH v2 01/23] bpf: move bpf_struct_ops_link into bpf.h Roman Gushchin
2025-10-27 23:17 ` [PATCH v2 02/23] bpf: initial support for attaching struct ops to cgroups Roman Gushchin
2025-10-27 23:48   ` bot+bpf-ci
2025-10-28 15:57     ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-29 18:01   ` Song Liu
2025-10-29 20:26     ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-30 17:22     ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-30 18:03       ` Song Liu
2025-10-30 18:19         ` Amery Hung
2025-10-30 19:06           ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-30 21:34             ` Song Liu
2025-10-30 22:42               ` Martin KaFai Lau
2025-10-30 23:14                 ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-31  0:05                 ` Song Liu
2025-10-30 22:19             ` bpf_st_ops and cgroups. Was: " Alexei Starovoitov
2025-10-30 23:24               ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-31  3:03                 ` Yafang Shao
2025-10-31  6:14                 ` Song Liu
2025-10-31 11:35                   ` Yafang Shao
2025-10-31 17:37                 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-10-29 18:14   ` Tejun Heo
2025-10-29 20:25     ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-29 20:36       ` Tejun Heo
2025-10-29 21:18         ` Song Liu
2025-10-29 21:27           ` Tejun Heo
2025-10-29 21:37             ` Song Liu
2025-10-29 21:45               ` Tejun Heo
2025-10-30  4:32                 ` Song Liu
2025-10-30 16:13                   ` Tejun Heo
2025-10-30 17:56                     ` Song Liu
2025-10-29 21:53           ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-29 22:43             ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-10-29 22:53               ` Tejun Heo
2025-10-29 23:53                 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-10-30  0:03                   ` Tejun Heo
2025-10-30  0:16                     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-10-30  6:33                       ` Yafang Shao
2025-10-29 21:04   ` Song Liu
2025-10-30  0:43   ` Martin KaFai Lau
2025-10-27 23:17 ` [PATCH v2 03/23] bpf: mark struct oom_control's memcg field as TRUSTED_OR_NULL Roman Gushchin
2025-10-27 23:17 ` [PATCH v2 04/23] mm: define mem_cgroup_get_from_ino() outside of CONFIG_SHRINKER_DEBUG Roman Gushchin
2025-10-31  8:32   ` Michal Hocko
2025-10-27 23:17 ` [PATCH v2 05/23] mm: declare memcg_page_state_output() in memcontrol.h Roman Gushchin
2025-10-31  8:34   ` Michal Hocko
2025-10-27 23:17 ` [PATCH v2 06/23] mm: introduce BPF struct ops for OOM handling Roman Gushchin
2025-10-27 23:57   ` bot+bpf-ci
2025-10-28 17:45   ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-10-28 18:42     ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-28 22:07       ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-10-28 22:56         ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-28 21:33   ` Song Liu
2025-10-28 23:24     ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-30  0:20   ` Martin KaFai Lau
2025-10-30  5:57   ` Yafang Shao
2025-10-30 14:26     ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-31  9:02   ` Michal Hocko
2025-11-02 21:36     ` Roman Gushchin
2025-11-03 19:00       ` Michal Hocko
2025-11-04  1:45         ` Roman Gushchin
2025-11-04  8:18           ` Michal Hocko
2025-11-04 18:14             ` Roman Gushchin
2025-11-04 19:22               ` Michal Hocko
2026-01-12 14:54   ` Matt Bobrowski
2026-01-12 17:20     ` Roman Gushchin
2026-01-12 18:20       ` Matt Bobrowski
2025-10-27 23:17 ` [PATCH v2 07/23] mm: introduce bpf_oom_kill_process() bpf kfunc Roman Gushchin
2025-10-31  9:05   ` Michal Hocko
2025-11-02 21:09     ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-27 23:17 ` [PATCH v2 08/23] mm: introduce BPF kfuncs to deal with memcg pointers Roman Gushchin
2025-10-27 23:48   ` bot+bpf-ci
2025-10-28 16:10     ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-28 17:12       ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-10-28 18:03         ` Chris Mason
2025-10-28 18:32           ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-28 17:42   ` Tejun Heo
2025-10-28 18:12     ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-27 23:17 ` [PATCH v2 09/23] mm: introduce bpf_get_root_mem_cgroup() BPF kfunc Roman Gushchin
2025-10-27 23:17 ` [PATCH v2 10/23] mm: introduce BPF kfuncs to access memcg statistics and events Roman Gushchin
2025-10-27 23:48   ` bot+bpf-ci
2025-10-28 16:16     ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-31  9:08   ` Michal Hocko
2025-10-31  9:31 ` [PATCH v2 00/23] mm: BPF OOM Michal Hocko
2025-10-31 16:48   ` Lance Yang
2025-11-02 20:53   ` Roman Gushchin [this message]
2025-11-03 18:18     ` Michal Hocko

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