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From: ebiederm-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org (Eric W. Biederman)
To: Aleksa Sarai <asarai-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>
Cc: containers-cunTk1MwBs9QetFLy7KEm3xJsTq8ys+cHZ5vskTnxNA@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/3] Enable namespaced file capabilities
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2017 07:35:54 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87lgogdz2t.fsf@xmission.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <553a72c4-eda9-52d6-2ae2-f8687c0c7c70-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org> (Aleksa Sarai's message of "Sat, 24 Jun 2017 03:28:50 +1000")

Aleksa Sarai <asarai-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org> writes:

>>> So my essential point is that building the real kuid into the permanent
>>> record of the xattr damages image portability, which is touted as one
>>> of the real advantages of container images.
>>
>> 'container images' aren't portable in that sense now - for at least
>> many cases - because you have to shift the uid.  However you're doing
>> that, you may be able to shift the xattr the same way.
>
> Piling more things on top of that issue isn't going to make the issue easier to
> solve IMO. Would shiftfs or shift-bindmounts also have to do translation of
> arbitrary xattrs? Plus I would think that handling xattrs would be harder than
> {u,g}ids because the image unpacker now has to be aware of all xattrs that
> require remapping (Which might be an ever-growing list).
>
> The user namespace incompatibility with the VFS's hard-coding of k{u,g}id values
> in inodes is an issue that we really shouldn't be encouraging IMO [especially
> given how hard it's been so far to solve that problem.]

There is one very simple solution to the problem.

Perform the unpacking in your user namespace.

The reason Docker doesn't do that is they want to share files and images
between different containers.  That sharing when we are talking about
different privilege domains and persistent storage is a challenge.
Hopefully shiftfs can solve that challenge.

When you stop trying to share between privilege domain this is all quite
trivial.  This is not an incompatibility of the VFS.


Eric

  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-06-25 12:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 180+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-06-22 18:59 [PATCH 0/3] Enable namespaced file capabilities Stefan Berger
2017-06-22 18:59 ` Stefan Berger
2017-06-22 18:59 ` Stefan Berger
2017-06-22 18:59 ` [PATCH 1/3] xattr: Enable security.capability in user namespaces Stefan Berger
2017-06-22 18:59   ` Stefan Berger
2017-06-22 18:59   ` Stefan Berger
     [not found]   ` <1498157989-11814-2-git-send-email-stefanb-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-24 21:02     ` [PATCH] xattr: fix kstrdup.cocci warnings kbuild test robot
2017-06-24 21:02     ` [PATCH 1/3] xattr: Enable security.capability in user namespaces kbuild test robot
2017-06-24 21:02   ` kbuild test robot
2017-06-24 21:02     ` kbuild test robot
2017-06-24 21:02     ` kbuild test robot
2017-06-24 21:02   ` [PATCH] xattr: fix kstrdup.cocci warnings kbuild test robot
2017-06-24 21:02     ` kbuild test robot
2017-06-24 21:02     ` kbuild test robot
2017-06-22 18:59 ` [PATCH 3/3] Enable security.selinux in user namespaces Stefan Berger
2017-06-22 18:59   ` Stefan Berger
2017-06-22 18:59   ` Stefan Berger
     [not found]   ` <1498157989-11814-4-git-send-email-stefanb-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-23 20:30     ` Stephen Smalley
2017-06-23 20:30       ` Stephen Smalley
2017-06-23 20:30       ` Stephen Smalley
2017-06-23 20:30       ` Stephen Smalley
     [not found]       ` <1498249800.2063.9.camel-+05T5uksL2qpZYMLLGbcSA@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-23 23:41         ` Stefan Berger
2017-06-23 23:41           ` Stefan Berger
2017-06-23 23:41           ` Stefan Berger
2017-06-23 23:41           ` Stefan Berger
2017-06-22 19:59 ` [PATCH 0/3] Enable namespaced file capabilities Casey Schaufler
2017-06-22 19:59   ` Casey Schaufler
2017-06-22 19:59   ` Casey Schaufler
2017-06-22 20:12   ` Stefan Berger
2017-06-22 20:12     ` Stefan Berger
2017-06-22 20:12     ` Stefan Berger
2017-06-22 20:33     ` Casey Schaufler
2017-06-22 20:33       ` Casey Schaufler
2017-06-22 20:33       ` Casey Schaufler
     [not found]       ` <2bf08b3e-27f4-3592-d5e2-a823401ac644-iSGtlc1asvQWG2LlvL+J4A@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-22 21:03         ` Stefan Berger
2017-06-22 21:03           ` Stefan Berger
2017-06-22 21:03           ` Stefan Berger
2017-06-22 21:03           ` Stefan Berger
2017-06-22 21:09         ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-06-22 21:09           ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-06-22 21:09           ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-06-22 22:40           ` Casey Schaufler
2017-06-22 22:40             ` Casey Schaufler
2017-06-22 22:40             ` Casey Schaufler
     [not found]             ` <45e59e2e-0e00-cb9a-2f85-dc4606338a08-iSGtlc1asvQWG2LlvL+J4A@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-22 23:07               ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-06-22 23:07             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-06-22 23:07               ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]           ` <20170622210925.GA32691-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-22 22:40             ` Casey Schaufler
     [not found]     ` <10fb9c1b-e9af-336c-9a1b-cf95259cfaf3-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-22 20:33       ` Casey Schaufler
     [not found]   ` <70a09f1b-e82c-a25c-9325-d5d757b1b695-iSGtlc1asvQWG2LlvL+J4A@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-22 20:12     ` Stefan Berger
2017-06-22 23:29 ` James Bottomley
2017-06-22 23:29   ` James Bottomley
2017-06-22 23:29   ` James Bottomley
     [not found]   ` <1498174161.7636.4.camel-d9PhHud1JfjCXq6kfMZ53/egYHeGw8Jk@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-22 23:32     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-06-22 23:36     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-06-22 23:32   ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-06-22 23:32     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-06-22 23:36   ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-06-22 23:36     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-06-23  0:13     ` James Bottomley
2017-06-23  0:13       ` James Bottomley
2017-06-23  0:13       ` James Bottomley
     [not found]       ` <1498176787.7636.11.camel-d9PhHud1JfjCXq6kfMZ53/egYHeGw8Jk@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-23  1:19         ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-06-23 17:37         ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-06-23  1:19       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-06-23  1:19         ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-06-23 17:37       ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-06-23 17:37         ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-06-23 17:37         ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]         ` <87efuaip08.fsf-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-23 18:39           ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-06-23 18:39         ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-06-23 18:39           ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]     ` <20170622233619.GC2894-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-23  0:13       ` James Bottomley
     [not found] ` <1498157989-11814-1-git-send-email-stefanb-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-22 18:59   ` [PATCH 1/3] xattr: Enable security.capability in user namespaces Stefan Berger
2017-06-22 18:59   ` [PATCH 2/3] Enable capabilities of files from shared filesystem Stefan Berger
2017-06-22 18:59     ` Stefan Berger
2017-06-22 18:59     ` Stefan Berger
2017-06-22 18:59     ` Stefan Berger
2017-06-22 18:59   ` [PATCH 3/3] Enable security.selinux in user namespaces Stefan Berger
2017-06-22 19:59   ` [PATCH 0/3] Enable namespaced file capabilities Casey Schaufler
2017-06-22 23:29   ` James Bottomley
2017-06-23  7:01   ` Amir Goldstein
2017-06-23  7:01     ` Amir Goldstein
2017-06-23  7:01     ` Amir Goldstein
2017-06-23 16:00     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-06-23 16:00     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-06-23 16:00       ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]       ` <20170623160026.GA18257-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-23 16:16         ` Casey Schaufler
2017-06-23 16:16           ` Casey Schaufler
2017-06-23 16:16           ` Casey Schaufler
2017-06-23 16:16           ` Casey Schaufler
     [not found]           ` <aa62373e-7cd6-39dd-2e38-2b6d6dbe18a8-iSGtlc1asvQWG2LlvL+J4A@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-23 16:30             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-06-23 18:08             ` Stefan Berger
2017-06-23 16:30           ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-06-23 16:30             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-06-23 16:53             ` Casey Schaufler
2017-06-23 16:53               ` Casey Schaufler
2017-06-23 16:53               ` Casey Schaufler
2017-06-23 17:01               ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-06-23 17:01                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-06-23 17:49                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-06-23 17:49                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-06-23 17:49                   ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                   ` <8760fmh9vc.fsf-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-23 18:32                     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-06-23 18:32                   ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-06-23 18:32                     ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]                 ` <20170623170108.GA19354-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-23 17:49                   ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]               ` <ef37880d-6baa-12a6-eab1-bcd0a4e94d53-iSGtlc1asvQWG2LlvL+J4A@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-23 17:01                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-06-23 17:07             ` James Bottomley
2017-06-23 17:07               ` James Bottomley
2017-06-23 17:07               ` James Bottomley
     [not found]               ` <1498237641.3641.15.camel-d9PhHud1JfjCXq6kfMZ53/egYHeGw8Jk@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-23 17:18                 ` Aleksa Sarai
     [not found]                   ` <b57803da-0e8b-594d-901b-12eb509f04b5-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-23 18:22                     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-06-23 17:20                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-06-23 17:20                   ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-06-23 17:20                   ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]                   ` <20170623172016.GA19551-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-23 17:28                     ` Aleksa Sarai
     [not found]                       ` <553a72c4-eda9-52d6-2ae2-f8687c0c7c70-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-23 18:30                         ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-06-25 12:35                         ` Eric W. Biederman [this message]
     [not found]                           ` <87lgogdz2t.fsf-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-25 13:06                             ` Aleksa Sarai
     [not found]                               ` <f1716e8c-dba8-a051-6bc7-285f13ffcaf0-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-25 13:28                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                                   ` <87zicwb3hu.fsf-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-25 13:51                                     ` Aleksa Sarai
     [not found]                                       ` <5bef361a-bc31-f3bc-f513-e728a48f0524-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-25 16:45                                         ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]                                           ` <20170625164558.GA24471-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-26  6:14                                             ` Aleksa Sarai
2017-06-23 17:38                 ` Stefan Berger
2017-06-23 17:38               ` Stefan Berger
2017-06-23 17:38                 ` Stefan Berger
2017-06-23 17:38                 ` Stefan Berger
2017-06-23 18:34                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-06-23 18:34                   ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]                 ` <d288ea69-adec-f257-30cb-b1d9c57c996b-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-23 18:34                   ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]             ` <20170623163030.GA18820-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-23 16:53               ` Casey Schaufler
2017-06-23 17:07               ` James Bottomley
2017-06-23 18:08           ` Stefan Berger
2017-06-23 18:08             ` Stefan Berger
2017-06-23 18:08             ` Stefan Berger
     [not found]             ` <3404c486-c848-3283-50f7-2283cb631e8e-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-23 18:35               ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-06-23 18:35             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-06-23 18:35               ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]               ` <20170623183520.GC21137-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-23 20:30                 ` Casey Schaufler
2017-06-23 20:30                   ` Casey Schaufler
2017-06-23 20:30                   ` Casey Schaufler
2017-06-23 20:30                   ` Casey Schaufler
2017-06-23 23:09                 ` Stefan Berger
2017-06-23 23:09                   ` Stefan Berger
2017-06-23 23:09                   ` Stefan Berger
2017-06-23 23:09                   ` Stefan Berger
     [not found]                   ` <da083027-fcd4-bc08-2d88-93034ba1cacc-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-23 23:51                     ` Casey Schaufler
2017-06-23 23:51                       ` Casey Schaufler
2017-06-23 23:51                       ` Casey Schaufler
2017-06-23 23:51                       ` Casey Schaufler
2017-06-28  5:41     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-06-28  5:41       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-06-28  7:18       ` Amir Goldstein
2017-06-28  7:18         ` Amir Goldstein
2017-06-28 14:04         ` Stefan Berger
2017-06-28 14:04           ` Stefan Berger
2017-06-28 14:04           ` Stefan Berger
     [not found]         ` <CAOQ4uxhiSHEXzWN7=g-nmu=ebpv7hkXszW03JZ4UJkcjTeH+oQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-28 14:04           ` Stefan Berger
2017-06-28 14:28           ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-06-28 14:28           ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-06-28 14:28             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-06-28 14:28             ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]       ` <20170628054138.GA15939-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-28  7:18         ` Amir Goldstein
2017-06-28  5:41     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-06-23 20:09   ` Vivek Goyal
2017-06-23 20:09     ` Vivek Goyal
2017-06-23 20:09     ` Vivek Goyal
2017-06-23 20:09     ` Vivek Goyal
2017-06-23 20:17     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-06-23 20:17       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-06-23 20:36       ` Vivek Goyal
2017-06-23 20:36         ` Vivek Goyal
2017-06-23 20:36         ` Vivek Goyal
2017-06-23 20:51         ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-06-23 20:51           ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]         ` <20170623203643.GC24779-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-23 20:51           ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]       ` <20170623201723.GA22857-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-23 20:36         ` Vivek Goyal
     [not found]     ` <20170623200956.GB24779-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-23 20:17       ` Serge E. Hallyn
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2017-06-22 18:59 Stefan Berger

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