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From: Juan Quintela <quintela@redhat.com>
To: Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com>
Cc: qemu-devel@nongnu.org, "Fabiano Rosas" <farosas@suse.de>,
	"Chensheng Dong" <chdong@redhat.com>,
	"Markus Armbruster" <armbru@redhat.com>,
	"Zhiyi Guo" <zhguo@redhat.com>, "Eric Blake" <eblake@redhat.com>,
	"Joao Martins" <joao.m.martins@oracle.com>,
	"Daniel P . Berrangé" <berrange@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4] migration: Allow user to specify available switchover bandwidth
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2023 14:58:42 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87mswpb9j1.fsf@secure.mitica> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20231010221922.40638-1-peterx@redhat.com> (Peter Xu's message of "Tue, 10 Oct 2023 18:19:22 -0400")

Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com> wrote:
> Migration bandwidth is a very important value to live migration.  It's
> because it's one of the major factors that we'll make decision on when to
> switchover to destination in a precopy process.
>
> This value is currently estimated by QEMU during the whole live migration
> process by monitoring how fast we were sending the data.  This can be the
> most accurate bandwidth if in the ideal world, where we're always feeding
> unlimited data to the migration channel, and then it'll be limited to the
> bandwidth that is available.
>
> However in reality it may be very different, e.g., over a 10Gbps network we
> can see query-migrate showing migration bandwidth of only a few tens of
> MB/s just because there are plenty of other things the migration thread
> might be doing.  For example, the migration thread can be busy scanning
> zero pages, or it can be fetching dirty bitmap from other external dirty
> sources (like vhost or KVM).  It means we may not be pushing data as much
> as possible to migration channel, so the bandwidth estimated from "how many
> data we sent in the channel" can be dramatically inaccurate sometimes.
>
> With that, the decision to switchover will be affected, by assuming that we
> may not be able to switchover at all with such a low bandwidth, but in
> reality we can.
>
> The migration may not even converge at all with the downtime specified,
> with that wrong estimation of bandwidth, keeping iterations forever with a
> low estimation of bandwidth.
>
> The issue is QEMU itself may not be able to avoid those uncertainties on
> measuing the real "available migration bandwidth".  At least not something
> I can think of so far.
>
> One way to fix this is when the user is fully aware of the available
> bandwidth, then we can allow the user to help providing an accurate value.
>
> For example, if the user has a dedicated channel of 10Gbps for migration
> for this specific VM, the user can specify this bandwidth so QEMU can
> always do the calculation based on this fact, trusting the user as long as
> specified.  It may not be the exact bandwidth when switching over (in which
> case qemu will push migration data as fast as possible), but much better
> than QEMU trying to wildly guess, especially when very wrong.
>
> A new parameter "avail-switchover-bandwidth" is introduced just for this.
> So when the user specified this parameter, instead of trusting the
> estimated value from QEMU itself (based on the QEMUFile send speed), it
> trusts the user more by using this value to decide when to switchover,
> assuming that we'll have such bandwidth available then.
>
> Note that specifying this value will not throttle the bandwidth for
> switchover yet, so QEMU will always use the full bandwidth possible for
> sending switchover data, assuming that should always be the most important
> way to use the network at that time.
>
> This can resolve issues like "unconvergence migration" which is caused by
> hilarious low "migration bandwidth" detected for whatever reason.
>
> Reported-by: Zhiyi Guo <zhguo@redhat.com>
> Reviewed-by: Joao Martins <joao.m.martins@oracle.com>
> Signed-off-by: Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com>

Reviewed-by: Juan Quintela <quintela@redhat.com>

> diff --git a/migration/options.h b/migration/options.h
> index 045e2a41a2..93ee938ab8 100644
> --- a/migration/options.h
> +++ b/migration/options.h
> @@ -80,6 +80,7 @@ int migrate_decompress_threads(void);
>  uint64_t migrate_downtime_limit(void);
>  uint8_t migrate_max_cpu_throttle(void);
>  uint64_t migrate_max_bandwidth(void);
> +uint64_t migrate_avail_switchover_bandwidth(void);
>  uint64_t migrate_max_postcopy_bandwidth(void);
>  int migrate_multifd_channels(void);
>  MultiFDCompression migrate_multifd_compression(void);

This list of functions is alphabetically sorted, doing that during merge.



  reply	other threads:[~2023-10-11 12:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 6+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-10-10 22:19 [PATCH v4] migration: Allow user to specify available switchover bandwidth Peter Xu
2023-10-11 12:58 ` Juan Quintela [this message]
2023-10-17 14:12 ` Markus Armbruster
2023-10-17 15:37   ` Peter Xu
2023-10-18  6:53     ` Markus Armbruster
2023-10-19 12:23       ` Juan Quintela

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