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From: "Huang\, Ying" <ying.huang@intel.com>
To: Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>
Cc: Minchan Kim <minchan@kernel.org>,
	"Huang, Ying" <ying.huang@intel.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>, Shaohua Li <shli@kernel.org>,
	Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>,
	Fengguang Wu <fengguang.wu@intel.com>,
	Tim Chen <tim.c.chen@intel.com>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] mm, swap: Make VMA based swap readahead configurable
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2017 09:02:20 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87mv5f8wkj.fsf@yhuang-dev.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170927141723.bixcum3fler7q4w5@dhcp22.suse.cz> (Michal Hocko's message of "Wed, 27 Sep 2017 16:17:23 +0200")

Hi, Michal,

Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org> writes:

> On Wed 27-09-17 23:10:08, Minchan Kim wrote:
>> On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 03:50:34PM +0200, Michal Hocko wrote:
>> > On Wed 27-09-17 22:41:17, Minchan Kim wrote:
>> > > On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 03:22:41PM +0200, Michal Hocko wrote:
>> > [...]
>> > > > simply cannot disable swap readahead when page-cluster is 0?
>> > > 
>> > > That's was what I want really but Huang want to use two readahead
>> > > algorithms in parallel so he wanted to keep two separated disable
>> > > knobs.
>> > 
>> > If it breaks existing and documented behavior then it is a clear
>> > regression and it should be fixed. I do not see why this should be
>> > disputable at all.
>> 
>> Indeed but Huang doesn't think so. He has thought it's not a regression.
>> Frankly speaking, I'm really bored of discussing with it.
>> https://marc.info/?l=linux-mm&m=150526413319763&w=2
>
> Then send a patch explaining why you consider this a regression with
> some numbers backing it and I will happily ack it.

I still think there may be a performance regression for some users
because of the change of the algorithm and the knobs, and the
performance regression can be resolved via setting the new knob.  But I
don't think there will be a functionality regression.  Do you agree?

Best Regards,
Huang, Ying

>> So I passed the decision to Andrew.
>> http://lkml.kernel.org/r/<20170913014019.GB29422@bbox>
>> 
>> The config option idea is compromise approach although I don't like it
>> and still believe it's simple clear *regression* so 0 page-cluster
>> should keep the swap readahead disabled.
>
> It is not a compromise. The regression is still there for many users
> potentially (just consider zram distribution kernel users...).

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From: "Huang\, Ying" <ying.huang@intel.com>
To: Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>
Cc: Minchan Kim <minchan@kernel.org>, "Huang\,
	Ying" <ying.huang@intel.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>, <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	<linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	"Rik van Riel" <riel@redhat.com>, Shaohua Li <shli@kernel.org>,
	Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>,
	Fengguang Wu <fengguang.wu@intel.com>,
	Tim Chen <tim.c.chen@intel.com>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] mm, swap: Make VMA based swap readahead configurable
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2017 09:02:20 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87mv5f8wkj.fsf@yhuang-dev.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170927141723.bixcum3fler7q4w5@dhcp22.suse.cz> (Michal Hocko's message of "Wed, 27 Sep 2017 16:17:23 +0200")

Hi, Michal,

Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org> writes:

> On Wed 27-09-17 23:10:08, Minchan Kim wrote:
>> On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 03:50:34PM +0200, Michal Hocko wrote:
>> > On Wed 27-09-17 22:41:17, Minchan Kim wrote:
>> > > On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 03:22:41PM +0200, Michal Hocko wrote:
>> > [...]
>> > > > simply cannot disable swap readahead when page-cluster is 0?
>> > > 
>> > > That's was what I want really but Huang want to use two readahead
>> > > algorithms in parallel so he wanted to keep two separated disable
>> > > knobs.
>> > 
>> > If it breaks existing and documented behavior then it is a clear
>> > regression and it should be fixed. I do not see why this should be
>> > disputable at all.
>> 
>> Indeed but Huang doesn't think so. He has thought it's not a regression.
>> Frankly speaking, I'm really bored of discussing with it.
>> https://marc.info/?l=linux-mm&m=150526413319763&w=2
>
> Then send a patch explaining why you consider this a regression with
> some numbers backing it and I will happily ack it.

I still think there may be a performance regression for some users
because of the change of the algorithm and the knobs, and the
performance regression can be resolved via setting the new knob.  But I
don't think there will be a functionality regression.  Do you agree?

Best Regards,
Huang, Ying

>> So I passed the decision to Andrew.
>> http://lkml.kernel.org/r/<20170913014019.GB29422@bbox>
>> 
>> The config option idea is compromise approach although I don't like it
>> and still believe it's simple clear *regression* so 0 page-cluster
>> should keep the swap readahead disabled.
>
> It is not a compromise. The regression is still there for many users
> potentially (just consider zram distribution kernel users...).

  reply	other threads:[~2017-09-28  1:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-09-21  1:33 [PATCH] mm, swap: Make VMA based swap readahead configurable Huang, Ying
2017-09-21  1:33 ` Huang, Ying
2017-09-25  5:41 ` Minchan Kim
2017-09-25  5:41   ` Minchan Kim
2017-09-25  5:54   ` Huang, Ying
2017-09-25  5:54     ` Huang, Ying
2017-09-25  6:17     ` Minchan Kim
2017-09-25  6:17       ` Minchan Kim
2017-09-25  6:24       ` Huang, Ying
2017-09-25  6:24         ` Huang, Ying
2017-09-25  6:30         ` Minchan Kim
2017-09-25  6:30           ` Minchan Kim
2017-09-26 13:21 ` Michal Hocko
2017-09-26 13:21   ` Michal Hocko
2017-09-27  1:36   ` Huang, Ying
2017-09-27  1:36     ` Huang, Ying
2017-09-27  5:04   ` Minchan Kim
2017-09-27  5:04     ` Minchan Kim
2017-09-27  7:48     ` Michal Hocko
2017-09-27  7:48       ` Michal Hocko
2017-09-27  8:04       ` Minchan Kim
2017-09-27  8:04         ` Minchan Kim
2017-09-27  8:35         ` Michal Hocko
2017-09-27  8:35           ` Michal Hocko
2017-09-27 13:15           ` Minchan Kim
2017-09-27 13:15             ` Minchan Kim
2017-09-27 13:22             ` Michal Hocko
2017-09-27 13:22               ` Michal Hocko
2017-09-27 13:41               ` Minchan Kim
2017-09-27 13:41                 ` Minchan Kim
2017-09-27 13:50                 ` Michal Hocko
2017-09-27 13:50                   ` Michal Hocko
2017-09-27 14:10                   ` Minchan Kim
2017-09-27 14:10                     ` Minchan Kim
2017-09-27 14:17                     ` Michal Hocko
2017-09-27 14:17                       ` Michal Hocko
2017-09-28  1:02                       ` Huang, Ying [this message]
2017-09-28  1:02                         ` Huang, Ying
2017-10-02  7:23                         ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-02  7:23                           ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-02 15:45                         ` Dave Hansen
2017-10-02 15:45                           ` Dave Hansen
2017-10-02 21:49                           ` Andrew Morton
2017-10-02 21:49                             ` Andrew Morton
2017-10-06 12:28                             ` huang ying
2017-10-06 12:28                               ` huang ying

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