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In-Reply-To: <4990592.OV4Wx5bFTl@n9w6sw14> (Christian Eggers's message of "Thu, 28 Aug 2025 07:24:48 +0200") References: <3542795.LZWGnKmheA@n9w6sw14> <87tt1whe19.fsf@bootlin.com> <4990592.OV4Wx5bFTl@n9w6sw14> User-Agent: mu4e 1.12.7; emacs 30.1 Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2025 11:55:46 +0200 Message-ID: <87o6rz6a8t.fsf@bootlin.com> Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Last-TLS-Session-Version: TLSv1.3 Hi Christian, On 28/08/2025 at 07:24:48 +02, Christian Eggers wrote: > Hi Miquel, > > On Sunday, 24 August 2025, 18:37:06 CEST, Miquel Raynal wrote: >> Hi Christian, >>=20 > > _______________________________________________________ =E2=80=8B=E2=80= =8B=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B=20=20=20 > Christian Eggers=20=20=20=20=20 > Software Engineer=20=20=20=20=20 > =E2=80=8B=20=20=20=20=20 > ARRI=20=20=20=20=20 > Arnold & Richter Cine Technik GmbH & Co. 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Betriebs KG=20=20=20 > Sitz: M=C3=BCnchen =E2=80=91 Registergericht: Amtsgericht M=C3=BCnchen = =E2=80=91 Handelsregisternummer: HRA 57918=20=20=20 > Pers=C3=B6nlich haftender Gesellschafter: Arnold & Richter Cine Technik G= mbH=20=20=20 > Sitz: M=C3=BCnchen =E2=80=91 Registergericht: Amtsgericht M=C3=BCnchen = =E2=80=91 Handelsregisternummer: HRB 54477=20=20=20 > Gesch=C3=A4ftsf=C3=BChrer: David Bermbach, Wolfgang B=C3=B6rsig, Christia= n Richter=20=20=20 > =E2=80=8B=20=20=20 > * > * > ALEXA 35 XTREME >> On 18/08/2025 at 19:02:49 +02, Christian Eggers wrote: >>=20 >> > I try to use a Foresee FSNS8A002G SLC flash chip on an i.MX6 GPMI cont= roller: >> > >> > https://www.lcsc.com/datasheet/C5126835.pdf >> > >> > The kernel output looks promising, but one line looks suspicious: >> > >> > ... >> > nand: device found, Manufacturer ID: 0xcd, Chip ID: 0xda >> > nand: Foresee FSNS8A002G >> > nand: 256 MiB, SLC, erase size: 128 KiB, page size: 2048, OOB size: 64 >> > nand: SDR timing mode 4 not acknowledged by the NAND chip >> > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >> > Bad block table found at page 131008, version 0x01 >> > Bad block table found at page 130944, version 0x01 >> > 3 fixed-partitions partitions found on MTD device gpmi-nand >> > ... >> > >> > According to the documentation of "Read Parameter Page", byte 129-130,= =20 >> > SDR modes 0 to 5 should be supported (page 19 on the data sheet). >> > But the documentation of the GET_FEATURE/SET_FEATURE operation misses >> > the "Timing mode" register (data sheet, page 24). >> > >> > I saw that there is a quirk for some Macronix chips which also seem >> > not to support getting/setting the timing mode (but declaring them >> > in the parameter page). >>=20 >> Unfortunately, it happens that sometimes flash vendor mess up parameter >> pages, so either the flash supports mode 5 and it is lying to you (you >> can test it and add a quirk) or the flash does not because this batch >> could not stand a faster rate (?). > > What does "lying" in this context mean? The message=20 > "nand: SDR timing mode 4 not acknowledged by the NAND chip" > implies to me, that the flash device doesn't respond to the mode setting > command. I see 2 possible reasons: > 1. The mode setting command is not supported (at least it isn't mentioned > in the data sheet). Setting a mode requires: - set_features, to change the value - get_features, to verify the value has been changed Normally device which support the former support the latter, but sometimes they do not. Just get rid of the check manually and make a test, if that works, the chip is working just fine and you must flag it as unable to perform a get_features(timings). See: https://elixir.bootlin.com/linux/v6.16.3/source/drivers/mtd/nand/raw/nand_m= acronix.c#L186 (you would only need the get_features() part of this quirk). > 2. The selected mode is too fast for the flash/PCB, so the response from > the flash is not correct received by the CPU. I don't believe so. > > Would it make sense, trying to reapply the current mode (0) first in order > to confirm that the flash supports the mode setting opcode at all? Commenting out the check and using the chip at this speed sounds more relevant IMO. Thanks, Miqu=C3=A8l