From: Andi Kleen <ak@linux.intel.com>
To: libaokun1@huawei.com, linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 01/17] ext4: add ext4_try_lock_group() to skip busy groups
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2025 15:28:27 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87pldy78qc.fsf@linux.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250714130327.1830534-2-libaokun1@huawei.com> (Baokun Li's message of "Mon, 14 Jul 2025 21:03:11 +0800")
Baokun Li <libaokun1@huawei.com> writes:
> When ext4 allocates blocks, we used to just go through the block groups
> one by one to find a good one. But when there are tons of block groups
> (like hundreds of thousands or even millions) and not many have free space
> (meaning they're mostly full), it takes a really long time to check them
> all, and performance gets bad. So, we added the "mb_optimize_scan" mount
> option (which is on by default now). It keeps track of some group lists,
> so when we need a free block, we can just grab a likely group from the
> right list. This saves time and makes block allocation much faster.
>
> But when multiple processes or containers are doing similar things, like
> constantly allocating 8k blocks, they all try to use the same block group
> in the same list. Even just two processes doing this can cut the IOPS in
> half. For example, one container might do 300,000 IOPS, but if you run two
> at the same time, the total is only 150,000.
>
> Since we can already look at block groups in a non-linear way, the first
> and last groups in the same list are basically the same for finding a block
> right now. Therefore, add an ext4_try_lock_group() helper function to skip
> the current group when it is locked by another process, thereby avoiding
> contention with other processes. This helps ext4 make better use of having
> multiple block groups.
It seems this makes block allocation non deterministic, but depend on
the system load. I can see where this could cause problems when
reproducing bugs at least, but perhaps also in other cases.
Better perhaps just round robin the groups?
Or at least add a way to turn it off.
-Andi
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-07-17 22:28 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-07-14 13:03 [PATCH v3 00/17] ext4: better scalability for ext4 block allocation Baokun Li
2025-07-14 13:03 ` [PATCH v3 01/17] ext4: add ext4_try_lock_group() to skip busy groups Baokun Li
2025-07-17 10:09 ` Ojaswin Mujoo
2025-07-19 0:37 ` Baokun Li
2025-07-17 22:28 ` Andi Kleen [this message]
2025-07-18 3:09 ` Theodore Ts'o
2025-07-19 0:29 ` Baokun Li
2025-07-22 20:59 ` Andi Kleen
2025-07-14 13:03 ` [PATCH v3 02/17] ext4: separate stream goal hits from s_bal_goals for better tracking Baokun Li
2025-07-17 10:29 ` Ojaswin Mujoo
2025-07-19 1:37 ` Baokun Li
2025-07-14 13:03 ` [PATCH v3 03/17] ext4: remove unnecessary s_mb_last_start Baokun Li
2025-07-17 10:31 ` Ojaswin Mujoo
2025-07-14 13:03 ` [PATCH v3 04/17] ext4: remove unnecessary s_md_lock on update s_mb_last_group Baokun Li
2025-07-17 13:36 ` Ojaswin Mujoo
2025-07-19 1:54 ` Baokun Li
2025-07-14 13:03 ` [PATCH v3 05/17] ext4: utilize multiple global goals to reduce contention Baokun Li
2025-07-14 13:03 ` [PATCH v3 06/17] ext4: get rid of some obsolete EXT4_MB_HINT flags Baokun Li
2025-07-14 13:03 ` [PATCH v3 07/17] ext4: fix typo in CR_GOAL_LEN_SLOW comment Baokun Li
2025-07-14 13:03 ` [PATCH v3 08/17] ext4: convert sbi->s_mb_free_pending to atomic_t Baokun Li
2025-07-14 13:03 ` [PATCH v3 09/17] ext4: merge freed extent with existing extents before insertion Baokun Li
2025-07-14 13:03 ` [PATCH v3 10/17] ext4: fix zombie groups in average fragment size lists Baokun Li
2025-07-14 13:03 ` [PATCH v3 11/17] ext4: fix largest free orders lists corruption on mb_optimize_scan switch Baokun Li
2025-07-14 13:03 ` [PATCH v3 12/17] ext4: factor out __ext4_mb_scan_group() Baokun Li
2025-07-14 13:03 ` [PATCH v3 13/17] ext4: factor out ext4_mb_might_prefetch() Baokun Li
2025-07-14 13:03 ` [PATCH v3 14/17] ext4: factor out ext4_mb_scan_group() Baokun Li
2025-07-14 13:03 ` [PATCH v3 15/17] ext4: convert free groups order lists to xarrays Baokun Li
2025-07-21 11:07 ` Jan Kara
2025-07-21 12:33 ` Baokun Li
2025-07-21 13:45 ` Baokun Li
2025-07-21 18:01 ` Theodore Ts'o
2025-07-22 5:58 ` Baokun Li
2025-07-24 3:55 ` Guenter Roeck
2025-07-24 4:54 ` Theodore Ts'o
2025-07-24 5:20 ` Guenter Roeck
2025-07-24 11:14 ` Zhang Yi
2025-07-24 14:30 ` Guenter Roeck
2025-07-24 14:54 ` Theodore Ts'o
2025-07-25 2:28 ` Zhang Yi
2025-07-26 0:50 ` Baokun Li
2025-07-14 13:03 ` [PATCH v3 16/17] ext4: refactor choose group to scan group Baokun Li
2025-07-14 13:03 ` [PATCH v3 17/17] ext4: implement linear-like traversal across order xarrays Baokun Li
2025-07-15 1:11 ` [PATCH v3 00/17] ext4: better scalability for ext4 block allocation Zhang Yi
2025-07-19 21:45 ` Theodore Ts'o
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