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From: "Toke Høiland-Jørgensen" <toke@kernel.org>
To: Yafang Shao <laoar.shao@gmail.com>,
	ast@kernel.org, daniel@iogearbox.net, andrii@kernel.org,
	kafai@fb.com, songliubraving@fb.com, yhs@fb.com,
	john.fastabend@gmail.com, kpsingh@kernel.org, sdf@google.com,
	haoluo@google.com, jolsa@kernel.org
Cc: bpf@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Yafang Shao <laoar.shao@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH bpf-next 00/13] bpf: Introduce BPF namespace
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2023 12:49:52 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87pm8v7pnz.fsf@toke.dk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20230326092208.13613-1-laoar.shao@gmail.com>

Yafang Shao <laoar.shao@gmail.com> writes:

> Currently only CAP_SYS_ADMIN can iterate BPF object IDs and convert IDs
> to FDs, that's intended for BPF's security model[1]. Not only does it
> prevent non-privilidged users from getting other users' bpf program, but
> also it prevents the user from iterating his own bpf objects.
>
> In container environment, some users want to run bpf programs in their
> containers. These users can run their bpf programs under CAP_BPF and
> some other specific CAPs, but they can't inspect their bpf programs in a
> generic way. For example, the bpftool can't be used as it requires
> CAP_SYS_ADMIN. That is very inconvenient.
>
> Without CAP_SYS_ADMIN, the only way to get the information of a bpf object
> which is not created by the process itself is with SCM_RIGHTS, that
> requires each processes which created bpf object has to implement a unix
> domain socket to share the fd of a bpf object between different
> processes, that is really trivial and troublesome.
>
> Hence we need a better mechanism to get bpf object info without
> CAP_SYS_ADMIN. 
>
> BPF namespace is introduced in this patchset with an attempt to remove 
> the CAP_SYS_ADMIN requirement. The user can create bpf map, prog and
> link in a specific bpf namespace, then these bpf objects will not be
> visible to the users in a different bpf namespace. But these bpf
> objects are visible to its parent bpf namespace, so the sys admin can 
> still iterate and inspect them.
>
> BPF namespace is similar to PID namespace, and the bpf objects are
> similar to tasks, so BPF namespace is very easy to understand. These
> patchset only implements BPF namespace for bpf map, prog and link. In the
> future we may extend it to other bpf objects like btf, bpffs and etc.

May? I think we should cover all of the existing BPF objects from the
beginning here, or we may miss important interactions that will
invalidate the whole idea. In particular, I'm a little worried about the
interaction between namespaces and bpffs; what happens if you're in a
bpf namespace and you try to read a BPF object from a bpffs that belongs
to a different namespace? Does the operation fail? Is the object hidden
entirely? Something else?

-Toke

  parent reply	other threads:[~2023-03-26 10:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-03-26  9:21 [RFC PATCH bpf-next 00/13] bpf: Introduce BPF namespace Yafang Shao
2023-03-26  9:21 ` [RFC PATCH bpf-next 01/13] fork: New clone3 flag for " Yafang Shao
2023-03-26  9:21 ` [RFC PATCH bpf-next 02/13] proc_ns: Extend the field type in struct proc_ns_operations to long Yafang Shao
2023-03-26  9:21 ` [RFC PATCH bpf-next 03/13] bpf: Implement bpf namespace Yafang Shao
2023-03-26 10:52   ` kernel test robot
2023-03-26 11:03   ` kernel test robot
2023-03-26 11:14   ` kernel test robot
2023-03-26 11:14   ` kernel test robot
2023-03-26  9:21 ` [RFC PATCH bpf-next 04/13] bpf: No need to check if id is 0 Yafang Shao
2023-03-26  9:22 ` [RFC PATCH bpf-next 05/13] bpf: Make bpf objects id have the same alloc and free pattern Yafang Shao
2023-03-26  9:22 ` [RFC PATCH bpf-next 06/13] bpf: Helpers to alloc and free object id in bpf namespace Yafang Shao
2023-03-26  9:22 ` [RFC PATCH bpf-next 07/13] bpf: Add bpf helper to get bpf object id Yafang Shao
2023-03-26  9:22 ` [RFC PATCH bpf-next 08/13] bpf: Alloc and free bpf_map id in bpf namespace Yafang Shao
2023-03-26 10:50   ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2023-03-27  2:44     ` Yafang Shao
2023-03-26  9:22 ` [RFC PATCH bpf-next 09/13] bpf: Alloc and free bpf_prog " Yafang Shao
2023-03-26  9:22 ` [RFC PATCH bpf-next 10/13] bpf: Alloc and free bpf_link " Yafang Shao
2023-03-26  9:22 ` [RFC PATCH bpf-next 11/13] bpf: Allow iterating bpf objects with CAP_BPF " Yafang Shao
2023-03-26  9:22 ` [RFC PATCH bpf-next 12/13] bpf: Use bpf_idr_lock array instead Yafang Shao
2023-03-26  9:22 ` [RFC PATCH bpf-next 13/13] selftests/bpf: Add selftest for bpf namespace Yafang Shao
2023-03-26 10:49 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen [this message]
2023-03-27  3:07   ` [RFC PATCH bpf-next 00/13] bpf: Introduce BPF namespace Yafang Shao
2023-03-27 20:51     ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2023-03-28  3:48       ` Yafang Shao
2023-03-27 17:28 ` Stanislav Fomichev
2023-03-28  3:42   ` Yafang Shao
2023-03-28 17:15     ` Stanislav Fomichev
2023-03-29  3:02       ` Yafang Shao
2023-03-29 20:50         ` Stanislav Fomichev
2023-03-30  2:40           ` Yafang Shao
2023-03-27 19:03 ` Song Liu
2023-03-28  3:47   ` Yafang Shao
2023-04-02 23:37     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2023-04-03  3:05       ` Yafang Shao
2023-04-03 22:50         ` Alexei Starovoitov
2023-04-04  2:59           ` Yafang Shao
2023-04-06  2:06             ` Alexei Starovoitov
2023-04-06  2:54               ` Yafang Shao
2023-04-06  3:05                 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2023-04-06  3:22                   ` Yafang Shao
2023-04-06  4:24                     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2023-04-06  5:43                       ` Yafang Shao
2023-04-06 20:22                         ` Andrii Nakryiko
2023-04-07  1:43                           ` Alexei Starovoitov
2023-04-07  4:33                             ` Yafang Shao
2023-04-07 15:32                               ` Alexei Starovoitov
2023-04-07 15:59                             ` Andrii Nakryiko
2023-04-07 16:05                               ` Alexei Starovoitov
2023-04-07 16:21                                 ` Yafang Shao
2023-04-07 16:31                                   ` Alexei Starovoitov
2023-04-07 16:35                                     ` Yafang Shao
2023-03-31  5:52 ` Hao Luo
2023-04-01 16:32   ` Yafang Shao

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