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From: Juan Quintela <quintela@redhat.com>
To: Avihai Horon <avihaih@nvidia.com>
Cc: qemu-devel@nongnu.org,
	"Alex Williamson" <alex.williamson@redhat.com>,
	"Dr. David Alan Gilbert" <dgilbert@redhat.com>,
	"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	"Cornelia Huck" <cohuck@redhat.com>,
	"Paolo Bonzini" <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	"Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy" <vsementsov@yandex-team.ru>,
	"Cédric Le Goater" <clg@redhat.com>,
	"Yishai Hadas" <yishaih@nvidia.com>,
	"Jason Gunthorpe" <jgg@nvidia.com>,
	"Maor Gottlieb" <maorg@nvidia.com>,
	"Kirti Wankhede" <kwankhede@nvidia.com>,
	"Tarun Gupta" <targupta@nvidia.com>,
	"Joao Martins" <joao.m.martins@oracle.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v10 03/12] vfio/migration: Allow migration without VFIO IOMMU dirty tracking support
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2023 19:04:33 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87sff6ztxq.fsf@secure.mitica> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2efede77-0b06-0efa-1ea2-86300307c86f@nvidia.com> (Avihai Horon's message of "Wed, 15 Feb 2023 19:47:58 +0200")

Avihai Horon <avihaih@nvidia.com> wrote:
> On 15/02/2023 14:43, Juan Quintela wrote:
>> External email: Use caution opening links or attachments
>>
>>
>> Avihai Horon <avihaih@nvidia.com> wrote:
>>> Currently, if IOMMU of a VFIO container doesn't support dirty page
>>> tracking, migration is blocked. This is because a DMA-able VFIO device
>>> can dirty RAM pages without updating QEMU about it, thus breaking the
>>> migration.
>>>
>>> However, this doesn't mean that migration can't be done at all.
>>> In such case, allow migration and let QEMU VFIO code mark all pages
>>> dirty.
>>>
>>> This guarantees that all pages that might have gotten dirty are reported
>>> back, and thus guarantees a valid migration even without VFIO IOMMU
>>> dirty tracking support.
>>>
>>> The motivation for this patch is the introduction of iommufd [1].
>>> iommufd can directly implement the /dev/vfio/vfio container IOCTLs by
>>> mapping them into its internal ops, allowing the usage of these IOCTLs
>>> over iommufd. However, VFIO IOMMU dirty tracking is not supported by
>>> this VFIO compatibility API.
>>>
>>> This patch will allow migration by hosts that use the VFIO compatibility
>>> API and prevent migration regressions caused by the lack of VFIO IOMMU
>>> dirty tracking support.
>>>
>>> [1]
>>> https://lore.kernel.org/kvm/0-v6-a196d26f289e+11787-iommufd_jgg@nvidia.com/
>>>
>>> Signed-off-by: Avihai Horon <avihaih@nvidia.com>
>>> Reviewed-by: Cédric Le Goater <clg@redhat.com>
>> Reviewed-by: Juan Quintela <quintela@redhat.com>
>>
>> I know why you are doing this.
>>
>> But I think this should print a warning, error, somewhere.
>
> IMHO, I'm not sure it's really necessary.
>
> To enable VFIO migration the user must explicitly set x-enable-migration=on.
> I guess in this case the user is well aware of the dirty tracking
> capabilities the VFIO device has or doesn't have.
> So I don't think adding this error/warning will help much.

Oops.  I missed that bit.
I retire my objection.

Sorry, Juan.

> Thanks.
>
>>
>> You are just dirtying all pages each time we arrive here.
>>
>> Even calling the featura "experimental" is an understatement.
>>
>> Later, Juan.
>>



  reply	other threads:[~2023-02-15 18:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-02-09 19:20 [PATCH v10 00/12] vfio/migration: Implement VFIO migration protocol v2 Avihai Horon
2023-02-09 19:20 ` [PATCH v10 01/12] linux-headers: Update to v6.2-rc1 Avihai Horon
2023-02-09 19:20 ` [PATCH v10 02/12] vfio/migration: Fix NULL pointer dereference bug Avihai Horon
2023-02-09 19:20 ` [PATCH v10 03/12] vfio/migration: Allow migration without VFIO IOMMU dirty tracking support Avihai Horon
2023-02-15 12:43   ` Juan Quintela
2023-02-15 17:47     ` Avihai Horon
2023-02-15 18:04       ` Juan Quintela [this message]
2023-02-15 20:14         ` Alex Williamson
2023-02-15 20:38           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-02-15 21:02             ` Alex Williamson
2023-02-09 19:20 ` [PATCH v10 04/12] migration/qemu-file: Add qemu_file_get_to_fd() Avihai Horon
2023-02-09 23:50   ` Alex Williamson
2023-02-15  7:33   ` Juan Quintela
2023-02-09 19:20 ` [PATCH v10 05/12] vfio/common: Change vfio_devices_all_running_and_saving() logic to equivalent one Avihai Horon
2023-02-09 19:20 ` [PATCH v10 06/12] vfio/migration: Block multiple devices migration Avihai Horon
2023-02-10 13:56   ` Cédric Le Goater
2023-02-15 12:46   ` Juan Quintela
2023-02-09 19:20 ` [PATCH v10 07/12] vfio/migration: Move migration v1 logic to vfio_migration_init() Avihai Horon
2023-02-09 19:20 ` [PATCH v10 08/12] vfio/migration: Rename functions/structs related to v1 protocol Avihai Horon
2023-02-09 19:20 ` [PATCH v10 09/12] vfio/migration: Implement VFIO migration protocol v2 Avihai Horon
2023-02-15 13:01   ` Juan Quintela
2023-02-15 18:23     ` Avihai Horon
2023-02-15 20:53       ` Alex Williamson
2023-02-16  8:15         ` Avihai Horon
2023-02-09 19:20 ` [PATCH v10 10/12] vfio/migration: Remove VFIO migration protocol v1 Avihai Horon
2023-02-15 13:02   ` Juan Quintela
2023-02-09 19:20 ` [PATCH v10 11/12] vfio: Alphabetize migration section of VFIO trace-events file Avihai Horon
2023-02-15 13:03   ` Juan Quintela
2023-02-09 19:20 ` [PATCH v10 12/12] docs/devel: Align VFIO migration docs to v2 protocol Avihai Horon

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