From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from smtp4.osuosl.org (smtp4.osuosl.org [140.211.166.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B9AA2153BF2 for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2024 20:54:20 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; arc=none smtp.client-ip=140.211.166.137 ARC-Seal:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1714078462; cv=none; b=g7ISSHPdPoE7RB1vzb+QqQsklyM9agOwV91r/xWMFCSHIrxBkCM+QADyhl97v5QclphO/qhgJ+2yhODASNxfoiqXhM40Yu7r3mO9USfeMzf3moDfTflnfUWw4fB6BJ5u4WJ5iOp/2rwEnbcn4pL30buesACHs0PvBZkUjMfgObM= ARC-Message-Signature:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1714078462; c=relaxed/simple; bh=c3gqeJyldKla1AW9r1/c6Z/PZV5yM2z3LEx2edXVpZM=; h=References:From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:In-reply-to:Message-ID: MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=oq9kapO5l/HKCYbSNQ7K09F8YPb9NL6s6/h6xh8buaSUGeOBtrOWaXD+XgD71hXsDQxsI08z4U/NpouDNkIav6VuhLikRPeOMijTFPICVx4xWtN95lmGPWRKCJ/haZjyjXwm8WKZEJ/gmJs9o7Q5Dp7t7jChFXq/3Mcslv6+3gI= ARC-Authentication-Results:i=1; smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=fsf.org header.i=@fsf.org header.b=sFZozrXO; arc=none smtp.client-ip=140.211.166.137 Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=fsf.org header.i=@fsf.org header.b="sFZozrXO" Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp4.osuosl.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33B5D4033D for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2024 20:54:20 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavis at osuosl.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.102 X-Spam-Level: Received: from smtp4.osuosl.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp4.osuosl.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavis, port 10024) with ESMTP id 60JxXhXv6Kyw for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2024 20:54:19 +0000 (UTC) Received-SPF: Pass (mailfrom) identity=mailfrom; client-ip=2001:470:142::13; helo=mail.fsf.org; envelope-from=iank@fsf.org; receiver= DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.4.2 smtp4.osuosl.org 5D0844030A Authentication-Results: smtp4.osuosl.org; dmarc=pass (p=none dis=none) header.from=fsf.org DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 smtp4.osuosl.org 5D0844030A Authentication-Results: smtp4.osuosl.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key, unprotected) header.d=fsf.org header.i=@fsf.org header.a=rsa-sha256 header.s=mail-fsf-org header.b=sFZozrXO Received: from mail.fsf.org (mail.fsf.org [IPv6:2001:470:142::13]) by smtp4.osuosl.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5D0844030A for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2024 20:54:17 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=fsf.org; s=mail-fsf-org; h=MIME-Version:In-reply-to:Date:Subject:To:From:References; bh=/WHn+AkOHDoAxkiwfnF/csHdBA45GnTzx1tHins8Duc=; b=sFZozrXO2OJc9gvNdtngTo6zN whHXafPWXU1TXCShl9b4JWo4VGnzxyoo4eSmrMylijl74TwgoZsWvr48VxBfLc/bk2iHgpdL4KRne emru+YyNIEXomPAwfZny9Rh/IN5fnPf7gh4v/sKsdXfuCZWKNnOZpzaXEcigHajcz6DQaWoOOMGr2 PeEQ1pbzyiBy+5RQmQxe297+b9aoOSLWobi4OkiWsPCSTqNcJA36ye94voeKdlgWsceSmD19j6LB/ T+TrdwUL5YzdIJHXSJrlAr7BEQYEPDg03D6O/pnKrl+aoZy/KErZ2CIiUGdWe1KPB2dXqLM48PB4j fprNRpbNQ==; References: <20240424-viridian-peccary-of-honor-4eaeed@meerkat> <87v846a1zi.fsf@fsf.org> <20240424-funny-lemon-starling-8b1aae@lemur> User-agent: mu4e 1.10.3; emacs 30.0.50 From: Ian Kelling To: Konstantin Ryabitsev Cc: cti-tac@lists.linuxfoundation.org Subject: Re: Hashing out the scope of work Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2024 16:06:57 -0400 In-reply-to: <20240424-funny-lemon-starling-8b1aae@lemur> Message-ID: <87ttjpurtr.fsf@fsf.org> Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: cti-tac@lists.linuxfoundation.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Konstantin Ryabitsev writes: > On Wed, Apr 24, 2024 at 05:15:33PM -0400, Ian Kelling wrote: >> > 7. Video conferencing (BigBlueButton) >> > >> > a. LF will provide video conferencing to the project using [BigBlueB= utton][9] >> > (BBB), either with a 3rd-party provider or as a fully self-hosted= service. >> > b. LF will work with the glibc project to set up conference rooms an= d access >> > as required. >>=20 >> Regarding BBB: >>=20 >> Looks like you forgot to include the [9] link. >>=20 >> BBB versions of the last few years have a dependency on nonfree MongoDB >> versions. I think the LF BBB that CTI has been using is running nonfree >> MongoDB. The upstream BBB developers announced they are removing >> MongoDB, but that work does not have a set timeline, I hope it will be >> done within a year. At FSF, we are migrating to Gal=C3=A8ne, >> https://galene.org/ , which has less features but also takes less >> resources and is much less sysadmin work. > > Okay, thank you for bringing that up. Another video conferencing system=20 > which we've previously deployed is Jitsi. Are there any similar=20 > objections to that platform? > > -K Jitsi should be ok. At FSF, we've had some occasional usability problems with Jitsi, but no software freedom problems. But note, this was not an objection, it was pointing out a fundamental defect that got overlooked. Consider who's responsibility is it to check the freedom status of software deployed by LF IT for CTI. A promise to use free software is one thing, actually living up to it needs some procedures, procedures that failed or that you don't have in place. --=20 Ian Kelling | Senior Systems Administrator, Free Software Foundation GPG Key: B125 F60B 7B28 7FF6 A2B7 DF8F 170A F0E2 9542 95DF https://fsf.org | https://gnu.org