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From: Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>
To: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
Cc: kwolf@redhat.com, imammedo@redhat.com, qemu-devel@nongnu.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 04/25] keyval: accept escaped commas in implied option
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2021 13:58:38 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87turah2f5.fsf@dusky.pond.sub.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20210118163113.780171-5-pbonzini@redhat.com> (Paolo Bonzini's message of "Mon, 18 Jan 2021 11:30:52 -0500")

Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com> writes:

> This is used with the weirdly-named device "SUNFD,fdtwo":

"SUNW,fdtwo"

Suggest "with weirdly-named devices such as "SUNW,fdtwo:", because we've
got more weirdos.

>   $ qemu-system-sparc -device SUNW,,fdtwo,help
>   SUNW,fdtwo options:
>     drive=<str>            - Node name or ID of a block device to use as a backend
>     fallback=<FdcDriveType> - FDC drive type, 144/288/120/none/auto (default: "144")
>     ...
>
> Therefore, accepting it is a preparatory step towards keyval-ifying
> -device and the device_add monitor command.

It's a preparatory step, but is it a necessary one?  More on that below.

>                                              In general, however, this
> unexpected wart of the keyval syntax leads to suboptimal errors compared
> to QemuOpts:
>
>   $ ./qemu-system-x86_64 -object foo,,bar,id=obj
>   qemu-system-x86_64: -object foo,,bar,id=obj: invalid object type: foo,bar
>   $ storage-daemon/qemu-storage-daemon --object foo,,bar,id=obj
>   qemu-storage-daemon: Invalid parameter ''

This is a second, independent argument supporting your patch.

As I remarked in reply to a prior post as "[PATCH 1/2] keyval: accept
escaped commas in implied option", the suboptimal errors could be
improved in a less invasive way.  Your way has a distinct advantage,
though: a working patch.

A third argument you've put forward elsewhere, but modestly left out
here: nicer code.  I'll get back to it after looking at the followup
cleanup in the next patch.

Either one argument could justify the patch, I think.

I'm this explicit to avoid the impression that the critique of the first
argument that comes next is me trying to find a reason to shoot down
your patch.

I don't think -device *needs* to accept anti-social device names.

We have a few devices with anti-social names, but none of them works
with -device, except in a help request.

We don't have to keep requests for human-readable help backwards
compible.

Anti-social device names are a usability issue with or without this
patch, with or without keyvalified -device.  The patch ensures the
sugared form of the help request continues to work after keyvalification
(the unsugared from is unaffected).  You could argue that loss of the
sugared form is a usability regression.  Maybe.  But usability is *poor*
in any case.  If we really cared for it, we'd get rid of the anti-social
names.

My point is: we're sitting in a hole, and the commit message starts with
"we need to dig a bit deeper to keep us comfortable".

My first preference: get rid of the anti-social names, drop the first
argument from the commit message, and let the patch rest on the other
two.

Second preference: rephrase the commit message along the lines of "This
is a step towards keyval-ifying -device without fixing the anti-social
device names first, and without breaking backward compatibility for help
requests".

> To implement this, the flow of the parser is changed to first unescape
> everything up to the next comma or equal sign.  This is done in a
> new function keyval_fetch_string for both the key and value part.
> Keys therefore are now parsed in unescaped form, but this makes no
> difference in practice because a comma is an invalid character for a
> QAPI name.  Thus keys with a comma in them are rejected anyway, as
> demonstrated by the new testcase.
>
> As a side effect of the new code, parse errors are slightly improved as
> well: "Invalid parameter ''" becomes "Expected parameter before '='"
> when keyval is fed a string starting with an equal sign.
>
> The slightly baroque interface of keyval_fetch_string lets me keep the
> key parsing loop mostly untouched.  It is simplified in the next patch,
> however.
>
> Signed-off-by: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>

I'll now look at the next patch, then get back to this one.



  reply	other threads:[~2021-01-21 13:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 67+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-01-18 16:30 [PATCH 00/25] qemu-option, keyval, vl: switch -object/-M/-accel to keyval parsing Paolo Bonzini
2021-01-18 16:30 ` [PATCH 01/25] qemu-option: clean up id vs. list->merge_lists Paolo Bonzini
2021-01-19 12:33   ` Kevin Wolf
2021-01-19 13:58   ` Markus Armbruster
2021-01-19 14:20     ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-01-20  8:03       ` Markus Armbruster
2021-01-20 12:37         ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-01-20 12:50           ` Markus Armbruster
2021-01-18 16:30 ` [PATCH 02/25] qemu-option: move help handling to get_opt_name_value Paolo Bonzini
2021-01-19 15:10   ` Markus Armbruster
2021-01-18 16:30 ` [PATCH 03/25] qemu-option: warn for short-form boolean options Paolo Bonzini
2021-01-19 15:56   ` Markus Armbruster
2021-01-19 17:04     ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-01-20  8:42       ` Markus Armbruster
2021-01-20 12:40         ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-01-20 12:59           ` Markus Armbruster
2021-01-20 14:05             ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-01-18 16:30 ` [PATCH 04/25] keyval: accept escaped commas in implied option Paolo Bonzini
2021-01-21 12:58   ` Markus Armbruster [this message]
2021-01-22  8:39   ` Markus Armbruster
2021-01-18 16:30 ` [PATCH 05/25] keyval: simplify keyval_parse_one Paolo Bonzini
2021-01-22 13:48   ` Markus Armbruster
2021-01-22 15:00     ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-01-22 15:44       ` Markus Armbruster
2021-01-18 16:30 ` [PATCH 06/25] tests: convert check-qom-proplist to keyval Paolo Bonzini
2021-01-22 14:14   ` Markus Armbruster
2021-01-22 14:38     ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-01-22 14:48     ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-01-18 16:30 ` [PATCH 07/25] keyval: introduce keyval_parse_into Paolo Bonzini
2021-01-22 14:22   ` Markus Armbruster
2021-01-22 14:30     ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-01-18 16:30 ` [PATCH 08/25] hmp: replace "O" parser with keyval Paolo Bonzini
2021-01-25  9:00   ` Markus Armbruster
2021-02-26 11:25     ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-03-01 10:14       ` Markus Armbruster
2021-03-01 10:23         ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-03-01 13:35           ` Markus Armbruster
2021-03-01 10:43     ` Markus Armbruster
2021-03-01 11:54       ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-01-18 16:30 ` [PATCH 09/25] qom: use qemu_printf to print help for user-creatable objects Paolo Bonzini
2021-01-25 12:47   ` Markus Armbruster
2021-01-18 16:30 ` [PATCH 10/25] hmp: special case help options for object_add Paolo Bonzini
2021-01-25 12:48   ` Markus Armbruster
2021-01-25 12:49     ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-01-25 14:02       ` Markus Armbruster
2021-01-18 16:30 ` [PATCH 11/25] remove -writeconfig Paolo Bonzini
2021-01-25 12:53   ` Markus Armbruster
2021-01-25 14:01     ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-01-25 14:12       ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-01-18 16:31 ` [PATCH 12/25] qemu-config: add error propagation to qemu_config_parse Paolo Bonzini
2021-01-25 13:54   ` Markus Armbruster
2021-01-18 16:31 ` [PATCH 13/25] qemu-option: support accept-any QemuOptsList in qemu_opts_absorb_qdict Paolo Bonzini
2021-01-18 16:31 ` [PATCH 14/25] qemu-config: parse configuration files to a QDict Paolo Bonzini
2021-01-18 16:31 ` [PATCH 15/25] vl: plumb keyval-based options into -set and -readconfig Paolo Bonzini
2021-01-25 11:48   ` Markus Armbruster
2021-01-25 13:59     ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-01-18 16:31 ` [PATCH 16/25] qom: do not modify QDict argument in user_creatable_add_dict Paolo Bonzini
2021-01-18 16:31 ` [PATCH 17/25] qemu-io: use keyval for -object parsing Paolo Bonzini
2021-01-18 16:31 ` [PATCH 18/25] qemu-nbd: " Paolo Bonzini
2021-01-18 16:31 ` [PATCH 19/25] qemu-img: " Paolo Bonzini
2021-01-18 16:31 ` [PATCH 20/25] qemu: " Paolo Bonzini
2021-01-18 16:31 ` [PATCH 21/25] storage-daemon: do not register the "object" group with QemuOpts Paolo Bonzini
2021-01-18 16:31 ` [PATCH 22/25] qom: export more functions for use with non-UserCreatable objects Paolo Bonzini
2021-01-18 16:31 ` [PATCH 23/25] vl: switch -M parsing to keyval Paolo Bonzini
2021-01-18 16:31 ` [PATCH 24/25] qemu-option: remove now-dead code Paolo Bonzini
2021-01-18 16:31 ` [PATCH 25/25] vl: switch -accel parsing to keyval Paolo Bonzini
2021-01-18 17:18 ` [PATCH 00/25] qemu-option, keyval, vl: switch -object/-M/-accel to keyval parsing no-reply

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