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From: John Ogness <john.ogness@linutronix.de>
To: Alexei Starovoitov <alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com>,
	Gabriele Monaco <gmonaco@redhat.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-trace-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	bpf@vger.kernel.org, Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>
Cc: Nam Cao <namcao@linutronix.de>, Wen Yang <wen.yang@linux.dev>,
	Tobias Schaffner <tobias.schaffner@siemens.com>,
	Viktor Malik <vmalik@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 10/15] tools/rv: Add BPF monitors
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2026 19:02:28 +0206	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87v770uuyr.fsf@jogness.linutronix.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <DM78SVMBI2XW.2XHVC67VON48A@gmail.com>

On 2026-10-17, "Alexei Starovoitov" <alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com> wrote:
>> That sounds like it could work. As long as there are kprobes in the call
>> stack of violations, I am happy.
>
> No need for a kfunc to get that.
> bpf_printk() in the reactor is a regular bpf_trace:bpf_trace_printk
> event, fired from the prog where the violation is detected.
> ftrace triggers and perf can attach to it.

It would be nice if it could be filtered so that only RV violation
bpf_printk's would trigger. I do not think it is possible for a filter
to do primitive pattern matching on @bpf_string. Or am I wrong?

>> A delayed kernel record is better than none. Although I really do not
>> see why it cannot simply call printk_deferred() directly. It is safe and
>> lockless. And it has the advantage of appropriate timestamping when
>> compared to any other printk's that may be happening at that time.
>>
>> If we are already adding kfuncs for panics and violations, why the
>> resistance to printks?
>
> printk kfunc wouldn't be limited to rv. Any tracing prog would
> be able to write to dmesg with no rate limit and then you, Petr
> and others will start yelling that bpf is abusing printk
> and dos-ing the rest of the kernel.

With the "new" ringbuffer and nbcon implementations, it no longer dos-es
the kernel, so I have no problem with bpf programs calling
printk_deferred(). And besides, userspace can already blast the
ringbuffer and consoles via /dev/kmsg.

John

  reply	other threads:[~2026-10-17 16:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 61+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-10-01 15:20 [PATCH v2 00/15] rv: Add support for BPF monitors Gabriele Monaco
2026-10-01 15:20 ` [PATCH v2 01/15] sched: Add task enqueue/dequeue trace points Gabriele Monaco
2026-10-01 15:49   ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-10-02  7:09     ` Gabriele Monaco
2026-10-02 10:29       ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-10-02 11:55         ` Gabriele Monaco
2026-10-02 19:18           ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-10-02 19:40             ` Gabriele Monaco
2026-10-04  7:57             ` Steven Rostedt
2026-10-12 11:54               ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-10-04  7:45         ` Steven Rostedt
2026-10-12 11:49           ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-10-02  0:42   ` bot+bpf-ci
2026-10-01 15:20 ` [PATCH v2 02/15] tools/rv: Skip empty pid error in selftest if command failed Gabriele Monaco
2026-10-02  0:42   ` bot+bpf-ci
2026-10-01 15:20 ` [PATCH v2 03/15] rv: Refactor da_trace() functions to get strings internally Gabriele Monaco
2026-10-01 15:20 ` [PATCH v2 04/15] rv: Cast result of model_get_*_name() Gabriele Monaco
2026-10-13  6:14   ` Nam Cao
2026-10-13  8:15     ` Gabriele Monaco
2026-10-14  9:52     ` Gabriele Monaco
2026-10-14 10:02       ` Nam Cao
2026-10-01 15:20 ` [PATCH v2 05/15] tools/rv: Move argument parsing from in_kernel to utils Gabriele Monaco
2026-10-02  0:25   ` bot+bpf-ci
2026-10-01 15:20 ` [PATCH v2 06/15] tools/build: Add a feature test for bpftool-btf Gabriele Monaco
2026-10-01 15:20 ` [PATCH v2 07/15] tools/rv: Implement BPF monitor discovery and listing Gabriele Monaco
2026-10-01 15:40   ` sashiko-bot
2026-10-02  0:42   ` bot+bpf-ci
2026-10-01 15:20 ` [PATCH v2 08/15] tools/rv: Implement BPF monitor loading and tracing Gabriele Monaco
2026-10-01 15:41   ` sashiko-bot
2026-10-02  0:43   ` bot+bpf-ci
2026-10-01 15:20 ` [PATCH v2 09/15] tools/rv: Copy stripped bpf_atomic.h from libarena Gabriele Monaco
2026-10-02  0:42   ` bot+bpf-ci
2026-10-07 12:59   ` Nam Cao
2026-10-08  9:00     ` Gabriele Monaco
2026-10-08 11:16       ` Nam Cao
2026-10-09 10:09         ` Gabriele Monaco
2026-10-11  0:43           ` Steven Rostedt
2026-10-12  7:43             ` Gabriele Monaco
2026-10-01 15:20 ` [PATCH v2 10/15] tools/rv: Add BPF monitors Gabriele Monaco
2026-10-01 15:55   ` sashiko-bot
2026-10-02  0:43   ` bot+bpf-ci
2026-10-06 13:29   ` Alexei Starovoitov
2026-10-08  9:54     ` Gabriele Monaco
2026-10-16 18:32       ` Alexei Starovoitov
2026-10-16 19:20         ` John Ogness
2026-10-17 10:42           ` Gabriele Monaco
2026-10-17 15:17             ` John Ogness
2026-10-17 16:09               ` Alexei Starovoitov
2026-10-17 16:56                 ` John Ogness [this message]
2026-10-17 10:48         ` Gabriele Monaco
2026-10-01 15:20 ` [PATCH v2 11/15] tools/rv: Define CONFIG_X86_64 statically for " Gabriele Monaco
2026-10-01 15:49   ` sashiko-bot
2026-10-01 15:20 ` [PATCH v2 12/15] tools/rv: Add reactors support to " Gabriele Monaco
2026-10-01 15:57   ` sashiko-bot
2026-10-02  0:43   ` bot+bpf-ci
2026-10-01 15:20 ` [PATCH v2 13/15] verification/rvgen: Add support for " Gabriele Monaco
2026-10-02  0:25   ` bot+bpf-ci
2026-10-01 15:20 ` [PATCH v2 14/15] tools/rv: Add selftest for rv bpf monitors Gabriele Monaco
2026-10-01 16:03   ` sashiko-bot
2026-10-02  0:43   ` bot+bpf-ci
2026-10-01 15:20 ` [PATCH v2 15/15] verification/rvgen: Add selftest for rvgen -b Gabriele Monaco

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