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From: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@kernel.org>
To: Michael Kelley <mhklinux@outlook.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Cc: Anna-Maria Behnsen <anna-maria@linutronix.de>,
	John Stultz <jstultz@google.com>, Stephen Boyd <sboyd@kernel.org>,
	Daniel Lezcano <daniel.lezcano@linaro.org>,
	Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@redhat.com>,
	Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
	Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Ben Segall <bsegall@google.com>, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	Valentin Schneider <vschneid@redhat.com>,
	"x86@kernel.org" <x86@kernel.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Frederic Weisbecker <frederic@kernel.org>,
	Eric Dumazet <edumazet@google.com>
Subject: RE: [patch 19/48] clockevents: Provide support for clocksource coupled comparators
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2026 22:36:54 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87v7emgrd5.ffs@tglx> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <SN6PR02MB4157C85D06BB52099150EF33D44BA@SN6PR02MB4157.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

On Mon, Mar 23 2026 at 04:24, Michael Kelley wrote:
> From: Michael Kelley Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2026 10:45 AM
>> From: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@kernel.org> Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2026 8:37 AM
>> >
>> > Some clockevent devices are coupled to the system clocksource by
>> > implementing a less than or equal comparator which compares the programmed
>> > absolute expiry time against the underlying time counter.
>> 
>> I've been playing with this in linux-next, and particularly to set up the Hyper-V
>> TSC page clocksource and Hyper-V timer as coupled. Most Hyper-V guests these days
>> are running on hardware that allows using the TSC directly as the clocksource. But
>> even if the Hyper-V TSC page clocksource isn't used, the timer is still the Hyper-V
>> timer, so the coupling isn't active. However, SEV-SNP and TDX CoCo VMs on Hyper-V
>> must use both the Hyper-V TSC page clocksource and the Hyper-V timer, so they
>> would benefit from coupling. It's a nice idea!

Did not think about that. I try to avoid the virt dungeon as much as it
goes :)

>> > +static inline bool clockevent_set_next_coupled(struct clock_event_device *dev, ktime_t expires)
>> > +{
>> > +	u64 cycles;
>> > +
>> > +	if (unlikely(!(dev->features & CLOCK_EVT_FEAT_CLOCKSOURCE_COUPLED)))
>> > +		return false;
>> > +
>> > +	if (unlikely(!ktime_expiry_to_cycles(dev->cs_id, expires, &cycles)))
>> > +		return false;
>> > +
>> > +	if (IS_ENABLED(CONFIG_GENERIC_CLOCKEVENTS_COUPLED_INLINE))
>> 
>> Since COUPLED_INLINE is always selected for x64, there's no way to add the Hyper-V
>> clockevent that is coupled but not inline. Adding the machinery to allow a second
>> inline clockevent type may not be worth it, but adding a second coupled but not
>> inline clockevent type on x64 should be supported. Thoughts?
>> 
>> After fixing the u64 typo, and temporarily not always selecting COUPLED_INLINE in
>> arch/x86/Kconfig, the coupled Hyper-V TSC page clocksource and timer seem to work
>> correctly, though I'm still doing some testing. I'm also working on counting the number
>> of time reads to confirm the expected benefit.
>
> Gentle ping.  Any thoughts on this?  (And on Peter Zijlstra's "deliciously insane"
> follow-up?)

Sure, we should be able to support that and I think Peter's suggestion
is pretty clever. Did you get it working?

Thanks,

        tglx

  reply	other threads:[~2026-03-23 21:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 128+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-02-24 16:35 [patch 00/48] hrtimer,sched: General optimizations and hrtick enablement Thomas Gleixner
2026-02-24 16:35 ` [patch 01/48] sched/eevdf: Fix HRTICK duration Thomas Gleixner
2026-02-28 15:37   ` [tip: sched/hrtick] " tip-bot2 for Peter Zijlstra
2026-03-20 14:59     ` Shrikanth Hegde
2026-03-20 15:38       ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-03-20 15:40         ` Shrikanth Hegde
2026-02-24 16:35 ` [patch 02/48] sched/fair: Simplify hrtick_update() Thomas Gleixner
2026-02-28 15:37   ` [tip: sched/hrtick] " tip-bot2 for Peter Zijlstra (Intel)
2026-02-24 16:35 ` [patch 03/48] sched/fair: Make hrtick resched hard Thomas Gleixner
2026-02-28 15:37   ` [tip: sched/hrtick] " tip-bot2 for Peter Zijlstra (Intel)
2026-02-24 16:35 ` [patch 04/48] sched: Avoid ktime_get() indirection Thomas Gleixner
2026-02-28 15:37   ` [tip: sched/hrtick] " tip-bot2 for Thomas Gleixner
2026-02-24 16:35 ` [patch 05/48] hrtimer: Avoid pointless reprogramming in __hrtimer_start_range_ns() Thomas Gleixner
2026-02-28 15:36   ` [tip: sched/hrtick] " tip-bot2 for Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-24 16:35 ` [patch 06/48] hrtimer: Provide a static branch based hrtimer_hres_enabled() Thomas Gleixner
2026-02-28 15:36   ` [tip: sched/hrtick] " tip-bot2 for Thomas Gleixner
2026-02-24 16:35 ` [patch 07/48] sched: Use hrtimer_highres_enabled() Thomas Gleixner
2026-02-28 15:36   ` [tip: sched/hrtick] " tip-bot2 for Thomas Gleixner
2026-02-24 16:35 ` [patch 08/48] sched: Optimize hrtimer handling Thomas Gleixner
2026-02-28 15:36   ` [tip: sched/hrtick] " tip-bot2 for Thomas Gleixner
2026-02-24 16:35 ` [patch 09/48] sched/hrtick: Avoid tiny hrtick rearms Thomas Gleixner
2026-02-28 15:36   ` [tip: sched/hrtick] " tip-bot2 for Thomas Gleixner
2026-02-24 16:36 ` [patch 10/48] hrtimer: Provide LAZY_REARM mode Thomas Gleixner
2026-02-28 15:36   ` [tip: sched/hrtick] " tip-bot2 for Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-24 16:36 ` [patch 11/48] sched/hrtick: Mark hrtick timer LAZY_REARM Thomas Gleixner
2026-02-28 15:36   ` [tip: sched/hrtick] " tip-bot2 for Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-24 16:36 ` [patch 12/48] tick/sched: Avoid hrtimer_cancel/start() sequence Thomas Gleixner
2026-02-28 15:36   ` [tip: sched/hrtick] " tip-bot2 for Thomas Gleixner
2026-02-24 16:36 ` [patch 13/48] clockevents: Remove redundant CLOCK_EVT_FEAT_KTIME Thomas Gleixner
2026-02-28 15:36   ` [tip: sched/hrtick] " tip-bot2 for Thomas Gleixner
2026-02-24 16:36 ` [patch 14/48] timekeeping: Allow inlining clocksource::read() Thomas Gleixner
2026-02-28 15:36   ` [tip: sched/hrtick] " tip-bot2 for Thomas Gleixner
2026-02-24 16:36 ` [patch 15/48] x86: Inline TSC reads in timekeeping Thomas Gleixner
2026-02-28 15:36   ` [tip: sched/hrtick] " tip-bot2 for Thomas Gleixner
2026-02-24 16:36 ` [patch 16/48] x86/apic: Remove pointless fence in lapic_next_deadline() Thomas Gleixner
2026-02-28 15:36   ` [tip: sched/hrtick] " tip-bot2 for Thomas Gleixner
2026-02-24 16:36 ` [patch 17/48] x86/apic: Avoid the PVOPS indirection for the TSC deadline timer Thomas Gleixner
2026-02-28 15:36   ` [tip: sched/hrtick] " tip-bot2 for Thomas Gleixner
2026-02-24 16:36 ` [patch 18/48] timekeeping: Provide infrastructure for coupled clockevents Thomas Gleixner
2026-02-28 15:36   ` [tip: sched/hrtick] " tip-bot2 for Thomas Gleixner
2026-02-24 16:36 ` [patch 19/48] clockevents: Provide support for clocksource coupled comparators Thomas Gleixner
2026-02-28 15:36   ` [tip: sched/hrtick] " tip-bot2 for Thomas Gleixner
2026-03-03 18:44   ` [patch 19/48] " Michael Kelley
2026-03-03 19:14     ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-03-23  4:24     ` Michael Kelley
2026-03-23 21:36       ` Thomas Gleixner [this message]
2026-03-24  0:22         ` mhklkml
2026-03-24  3:37           ` Michael Kelley
2026-03-24 17:24             ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-03-24 17:34               ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-24 16:36 ` [patch 20/48] x86/apic: Enable TSC coupled programming mode Thomas Gleixner
2026-02-28 15:36   ` [tip: sched/hrtick] " tip-bot2 for Thomas Gleixner
2026-03-03  1:29   ` [patch 20/48] " Nathan Chancellor
2026-03-03 14:37     ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-03-03 14:45       ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-03-03 17:38       ` Nathan Chancellor
2026-03-03 20:21         ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-03-03 21:30           ` Nathan Chancellor
2026-03-04 18:40             ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-03-04 18:49               ` [patch 20/48] clocksource: Update clocksource::freq_khz on registration Thomas Gleixner
2026-03-04 19:10                 ` Borislav Petkov
2026-03-04 22:57                 ` Nathan Chancellor
2026-03-05 16:47                 ` [tip: sched/hrtick] " tip-bot2 for Thomas Gleixner
2026-03-03 21:56         ` [PATCH] Subject: timekeeping: Initialize the coupled clocksource conversion completely Thomas Gleixner
2026-03-03 23:16           ` John Stultz
2026-03-05 16:47           ` [tip: sched/hrtick] " tip-bot2 for Thomas Gleixner
2026-02-24 16:36 ` [patch 21/48] hrtimer: Add debug object init assertion Thomas Gleixner
2026-02-28 15:36   ` [tip: sched/hrtick] " tip-bot2 for Thomas Gleixner
2026-02-24 16:36 ` [patch 22/48] hrtimer: Reduce trace noise in hrtimer_start() Thomas Gleixner
2026-02-28 15:36   ` [tip: sched/hrtick] " tip-bot2 for Thomas Gleixner
2026-02-24 16:37 ` [patch 23/48] hrtimer: Use guards where appropriate Thomas Gleixner
2026-02-28 15:36   ` [tip: sched/hrtick] " tip-bot2 for Thomas Gleixner
2026-02-24 16:37 ` [patch 24/48] hrtimer: Cleanup coding style and comments Thomas Gleixner
2026-02-28 15:36   ` [tip: sched/hrtick] " tip-bot2 for Thomas Gleixner
2026-02-24 16:37 ` [patch 25/48] hrtimer: Evaluate timer expiry only once Thomas Gleixner
2026-02-28 15:36   ` [tip: sched/hrtick] " tip-bot2 for Thomas Gleixner
2026-02-24 16:37 ` [patch 26/48] hrtimer: Replace the bitfield in hrtimer_cpu_base Thomas Gleixner
2026-02-28 15:36   ` [tip: sched/hrtick] " tip-bot2 for Thomas Gleixner
2026-02-24 16:37 ` [patch 27/48] hrtimer: Convert state and properties to boolean Thomas Gleixner
2026-02-28 15:36   ` [tip: sched/hrtick] " tip-bot2 for Thomas Gleixner
2026-02-24 16:37 ` [patch 28/48] hrtimer: Optimize for local timers Thomas Gleixner
2026-02-28 15:36   ` [tip: sched/hrtick] " tip-bot2 for Thomas Gleixner
2026-02-24 16:37 ` [patch 29/48] hrtimer: Use NOHZ information for locality Thomas Gleixner
2026-02-28 15:36   ` [tip: sched/hrtick] " tip-bot2 for Thomas Gleixner
2026-02-24 16:37 ` [patch 30/48] hrtimer: Separate remove/enqueue handling for local timers Thomas Gleixner
2026-02-28 15:36   ` [tip: sched/hrtick] " tip-bot2 for Thomas Gleixner
2026-02-24 16:37 ` [patch 31/48] hrtimer: Add hrtimer_rearm tracepoint Thomas Gleixner
2026-02-28 15:36   ` [tip: sched/hrtick] " tip-bot2 for Thomas Gleixner
2026-02-24 16:37 ` [patch 32/48] hrtimer: Re-arrange hrtimer_interrupt() Thomas Gleixner
2026-02-28 15:36   ` [tip: sched/hrtick] " tip-bot2 for Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-24 16:37 ` [patch 33/48] hrtimer: Rename hrtimer_cpu_base::in_hrtirq to deferred_rearm Thomas Gleixner
2026-02-28 15:36   ` [tip: sched/hrtick] " tip-bot2 for Thomas Gleixner
2026-02-24 16:37 ` [patch 34/48] hrtimer: Prepare stubs for deferred rearming Thomas Gleixner
2026-02-28 15:36   ` [tip: sched/hrtick] " tip-bot2 for Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-24 16:38 ` [patch 35/48] entry: Prepare for deferred hrtimer rearming Thomas Gleixner
2026-02-27 15:57   ` Christian Loehle
2026-02-27 16:25     ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-27 16:32       ` Christian Loehle
2026-02-28 15:36   ` [tip: sched/hrtick] " tip-bot2 for Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-24 16:38 ` [patch 36/48] softirq: " Thomas Gleixner
2026-02-28 15:36   ` [tip: sched/hrtick] " tip-bot2 for Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-24 16:38 ` [patch 37/48] sched/core: " Thomas Gleixner
2026-02-28 15:36   ` [tip: sched/hrtick] " tip-bot2 for Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-24 16:38 ` [patch 38/48] hrtimer: Push reprogramming timers into the interrupt return path Thomas Gleixner
2026-02-28 15:36   ` [tip: sched/hrtick] " tip-bot2 for Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-24 16:38 ` [patch 39/48] hrtimer: Avoid re-evaluation when nothing changed Thomas Gleixner
2026-02-28 15:36   ` [tip: sched/hrtick] " tip-bot2 for Thomas Gleixner
2026-02-24 16:38 ` [patch 40/48] hrtimer: Keep track of first expiring timer per clock base Thomas Gleixner
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2026-02-24 16:38 ` [patch 41/48] hrtimer: Rework next event evaluation Thomas Gleixner
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2026-02-24 16:38 ` [patch 42/48] hrtimer: Simplify run_hrtimer_queues() Thomas Gleixner
2026-02-28 15:36   ` [tip: sched/hrtick] " tip-bot2 for Thomas Gleixner
2026-02-24 16:38 ` [patch 43/48] hrtimer: Optimize for_each_active_base() Thomas Gleixner
2026-02-28 15:36   ` [tip: sched/hrtick] " tip-bot2 for Thomas Gleixner
2026-02-24 16:38 ` [patch 44/48] rbtree: Provide rbtree with links Thomas Gleixner
2026-02-28 15:36   ` [tip: sched/hrtick] " tip-bot2 for Thomas Gleixner
2026-02-24 16:38 ` [patch 45/48] timerqueue: Provide linked timerqueue Thomas Gleixner
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2026-02-24 16:38 ` [patch 46/48] hrtimer: Use " Thomas Gleixner
2026-02-28 15:36   ` [tip: sched/hrtick] " tip-bot2 for Thomas Gleixner
2026-02-24 16:39 ` [patch 47/48] hrtimer: Try to modify timers in place Thomas Gleixner
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2026-02-24 16:39 ` [patch 48/48] sched: Default enable HRTICK when deferred rearming is enabled Thomas Gleixner
2026-02-28 15:36   ` [tip: sched/hrtick] " tip-bot2 for Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-25 15:25 ` [patch 00/48] hrtimer,sched: General optimizations and hrtick enablement Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-25 16:02   ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-03-04 15:59 ` Christian Loehle

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