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From: Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de>
To: Sebastian Andrzej Siewior <bigeasy@linutronix.de>
Cc: Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de>,
	syzbot <syzbot+10b4363fb0f46527f3f3@syzkaller.appspotmail.com>,
	tglx@linutronix.de, bp@alien8.de, dave.hansen@linux.intel.com,
	hpa@zytor.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-sound@vger.kernel.org, mingo@redhat.com, perex@perex.cz,
	syzkaller-bugs@googlegroups.com, tiwai@suse.com, x86@kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] ALSA: pcm: Disable bottom softirqs as part of spin_lock_irq() on PREEMPT_RT
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2025 11:43:53 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87v7li20me.wl-tiwai@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250915152851.-ATGMKhp@linutronix.de>

On Mon, 15 Sep 2025 17:28:51 +0200,
Sebastian Andrzej Siewior wrote:
> 
> snd_pcm_group_lock_irq() acquires a spinlock_t and disables interrupts
> via spin_lock_irq(). This also implicitly disables the handling of
> softirqs such as TIMER_SOFTIRQ.
> On PREEMPT_RT softirqs are preemptible and spin_lock_irq() does not
> disable them. That means a timer can be invoked during spin_lock_irq()
> on the same CPU. Due to synchronisations reasons local_bh_disable() has
> a per-CPU lock named softirq_ctrl.lock which synchronizes individual
> softirq against each other.
> syz-bot managed to trigger a lockdep report where softirq_ctrl.lock is
> acquired in hrtimer_cancel() in addition to hrtimer_run_softirq(). This
> is a possible deadlock.
> 
> The softirq_ctrl.lock can not be made part of spin_lock_irq() as this
> would lead to too much synchronisation against individual threads on the
> system. To avoid the possible deadlock, softirqs must be manually
> disabled before the lock is acquired.
> 
> Disable softirqs before the lock is acquired on PREEMPT_RT.
> 
> Reported-by: syzbot+10b4363fb0f46527f3f3@syzkaller.appspotmail.com
> Fixes: d2d6422f8bd1 ("x86: Allow to enable PREEMPT_RT.")
> Signed-off-by: Sebastian Andrzej Siewior <bigeasy@linutronix.de>
> ---
> 
> I don't see a way around this given the report. I don't see how to
> address this within the softirq. Taking this lock as part of every
> spin_lock_irq() would be a mess and while testing I didn't even manage
> to boot the machine. So I probably missed a detail (but then I would
> only know how mad it really is).
> 
> This can be an intermediate solution until
> 	https://lore.kernel.org/all/20250901163811.963326-4-bigeasy@linutronix.de/
> 
> gets merged and the !PREEMPT_RT_NEEDS_BH_LOCK case the default (i.e. not
> a config option anymore).

I applied now to for-next branch for 6.18.
It's already at a late stage for 6.17 release, and the issue doesn't
seem like an urgent regression to be fixed.


Thanks!

Takashi

  reply	other threads:[~2025-09-16  9:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-08-29 18:38 [syzbot] [sound?] possible deadlock in __snd_pcm_lib_xfer (2) syzbot
2025-08-30  0:06 ` syzbot
2025-09-04 10:20   ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2025-09-04 10:38     ` Takashi Iwai
2025-09-15 15:28       ` [PATCH] ALSA: pcm: Disable bottom softirqs as part of spin_lock_irq() on PREEMPT_RT Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2025-09-16  9:43         ` Takashi Iwai [this message]
2025-09-16 12:23           ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2025-08-30  0:45 ` [syzbot] [sound?] possible deadlock in __snd_pcm_lib_xfer (2) Hillf Danton
2025-08-30  3:03   ` syzbot
2025-08-30  6:56     ` Hillf Danton
2025-09-03 14:59       ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2025-09-04  1:05         ` Hillf Danton
2025-09-04  6:12           ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2025-09-05  3:04             ` Hillf Danton

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