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From: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@kernel.org>
To: "Peter Zijlstra" <peterz@infradead.org>,
	"André Almeida" <andrealmeid@igalia.com>
Cc: LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>,
	Sebastian Andrzej Siewior <bigeasy@linutronix.de>,
	Carlos O'Donell <carlos@redhat.com>,
	Florian Weimer <fweimer@redhat.com>,
	Rich Felker <dalias@aerifal.cx>,
	Torvald Riegel <triegel@redhat.com>,
	Darren Hart <dvhart@infradead.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	Davidlohr Bueso <dave@stgolabs.net>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	"Liam R . Howlett" <Liam.Howlett@oracle.com>
Subject: Re: [patch 4/8] futex: Add support for unlocking robust futexes
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2026 23:40:12 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87wlzam65v.ffs@tglx> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260317204651.GJ2872@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net>

On Tue, Mar 17 2026 at 21:46, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 17, 2026 at 01:17:28PM -0300, André Almeida wrote:
>> Em 16/03/2026 14:13, Thomas Gleixner escreveu:
>> 
>> [...]
>> 
>> > --- a/kernel/futex/waitwake.c
>> > +++ b/kernel/futex/waitwake.c
>> > @@ -150,12 +150,32 @@ void futex_wake_mark(struct wake_q_head
>> >   }
>> >   /*
>> > + * If requested, clear the robust list pending op and unlock the futex
>> > + */
>> > +static bool futex_robust_unlock(u32 __user *uaddr, unsigned int flags, void __user *pop)
>> > +{
>> > +	if (!(flags & FLAGS_UNLOCK_ROBUST))
>> > +		return true;
>> > +
>> > +	/* First unlock the futex. */
>> > +	if (put_user(0U, uaddr))
>> > +		return false;
>> > +
>> 
>> On glibc code, the futex unlock happens atomically:
>> 
>>     atomic_exchange_release (&mutex->__data.__lock, 0)
>> 
>> Is OK to do it unatomically?
>> 
>> I couldn't find a race condition given that the only thread that should be
>> able to write to the futex address must be the lock owner anyways, but I
>> don't know why userspace does it atomically in the first place.
>
> So userspace could probably get away with doing:
>
>    atomic_store_explicit(&mutex->__data.__lock, 0, memory_order_release);
>
> IOW a plain store-release. And yeah, I think the kernel probably should
> do a store-release too. It doesn't matter on x86, but if we have a
> weakly ordered architecture where the mode transition is also not
> serializing, we could be having trouble.

No. There is a syscall in between and if that is not sufficient then the
architecure has more severe troubles than that store, no?

Thanks,

        tglx

  reply	other threads:[~2026-03-17 22:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 57+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-03-16 17:12 [patch 0/8] futex: Address the robust futex unlock race for real Thomas Gleixner
2026-03-16 17:12 ` [patch 1/8] futex: Move futex task related data into a struct Thomas Gleixner
2026-03-16 17:55   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-03-17  2:24   ` André Almeida
2026-03-17  9:52     ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-03-16 17:13 ` [patch 2/8] futex: Move futex related mm_struct " Thomas Gleixner
2026-03-16 18:00   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-03-16 17:13 ` [patch 3/8] futex: Provide UABI defines for robust list entry modifiers Thomas Gleixner
2026-03-16 18:02   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-03-17  2:38   ` André Almeida
2026-03-17  9:53     ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-03-16 17:13 ` [patch 4/8] futex: Add support for unlocking robust futexes Thomas Gleixner
2026-03-16 18:24   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-03-17 16:17   ` André Almeida
2026-03-17 20:46     ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-03-17 22:40       ` Thomas Gleixner [this message]
2026-03-18  8:02         ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-03-18  8:06           ` Florian Weimer
2026-03-18 14:47           ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-03-18 16:03             ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-03-16 17:13 ` [patch 5/8] futex: Add robust futex unlock IP range Thomas Gleixner
2026-03-16 18:36   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-03-17 19:19   ` André Almeida
2026-03-16 17:13 ` [patch 6/8] futex: Provide infrastructure to plug the non contended robust futex unlock race Thomas Gleixner
2026-03-16 18:35   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-03-16 20:29     ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-03-16 20:52       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-03-16 17:13 ` [patch 7/8] x86/vdso: Prepare for robust futex unlock support Thomas Gleixner
2026-03-16 17:13 ` [patch 8/8] x86/vdso: Implement __vdso_futex_robust_try_unlock() Thomas Gleixner
2026-03-16 19:19   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-03-16 21:02     ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-03-16 22:35       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-03-16 21:14     ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-03-16 21:29     ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-03-17  7:25   ` Thomas Weißschuh
2026-03-17  9:51     ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-03-17 11:17       ` Thomas Weißschuh
2026-03-18 16:17         ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-03-19  7:41           ` Thomas Weißschuh
2026-03-19  8:53             ` Florian Weimer
2026-03-19  9:04               ` Thomas Weißschuh
2026-03-19  9:08               ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-03-19 23:31                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-03-19 10:36             ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2026-03-19 10:49               ` Thomas Weißschuh
2026-03-19 10:55                 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2026-03-17  8:28   ` Florian Weimer
2026-03-17  9:36     ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-03-17 10:37       ` Florian Weimer
2026-03-17 22:32         ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-03-18 22:08           ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-03-18 22:10             ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-03-19  2:05             ` André Almeida
2026-03-19  7:10               ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-03-17 15:33   ` Uros Bizjak
2026-03-18  8:21     ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-03-18  8:32       ` Uros Bizjak

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