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From: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
To: Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
	Lai Jiangshan <jiangshanlai@gmail.com>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Cc: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Lai Jiangshan <laijs@linux.alibaba.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	the arch/x86 maintainers <x86@kernel.org>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>, Juergen Gross <jgross@suse.com>,
	"Peter Zijlstra \(Intel\)" <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	Arvind Sankar <nivedita@alum.mit.edu>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 1/4] x86/entry/nmi: Switch to the entry stack before switching to the thread stack
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2021 13:23:08 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87wnqog4pv.ffs@nanos.tec.linutronix.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <444d7139-e47a-4831-93d0-8eb5b9680fdc@www.fastmail.com>

On Sat, Jun 19 2021 at 20:13, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 19, 2021, at 3:51 PM, Thomas Gleixner wrote:
>> On Tue, Jun 01 2021 at 14:52, Lai Jiangshan wrote:
>> > From: Lai Jiangshan <laijs@linux.alibaba.com>
>> >
>> > Current kernel has no code to enforce data breakpoint not on the thread
>> > stack.  If there is any data breakpoint on the top area of the thread
>> > stack, there might be problem.
>> 
>> And because the kernel does not prevent data breakpoints on the thread
>> stack we need to do more complicated things in the already horrible
>> entry code instead of just doing the obvious and preventing data
>> breakpoints on the thread stack?
>
> Preventing breakpoints on the thread stack is a bit messy: it’s
> possible for a breakpoint to be set before the address in question is
> allocated for the thread stack.

Bah.

> None of this is NMI-specific. #DB itself has the same problem.

Oh well.

> We could plausibly solve it differently by disarming breakpoints in
> the entry asm before switching stacks. I’m not sure how much I like
> that approach.

That's ugly and TBH in some sense is a breakpoint on the thread stack a
violation of noinstr. I rather see them prevented completely, but yes
that would have to be expanded to pretty much any variable which is
touched in noinstr sections. What a mess.

Thanks,

        tglx



  reply	other threads:[~2021-06-20 11:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-06-01  6:52 [RFC PATCH 0/4] x86/entry/nmi: solidify userspace NMI entry Lai Jiangshan
2021-06-01  6:52 ` [RFC PATCH 1/4] x86/entry/nmi: Switch to the entry stack before switching to the thread stack Lai Jiangshan
2021-06-01 17:05   ` Steven Rostedt
2021-06-02  0:09     ` Lai Jiangshan
2021-06-02  0:16     ` Lai Jiangshan
2021-06-19 22:51   ` Thomas Gleixner
2021-06-20  3:13     ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-06-20 11:23       ` Thomas Gleixner [this message]
2021-06-25 10:40       ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-06-25 11:00         ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-06-26  7:03           ` Thomas Gleixner
2021-06-26  8:28             ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-06-01  6:52 ` [RFC PATCH 2/4] x86/entry/nmi: Use normal idtentry macro for NMI from userspace Lai Jiangshan
2021-06-03 17:36   ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-06-01  6:52 ` [RFC PATCH 3/4] x86/entry: Remove parameter rdx from macro PUSH_AND_CLEAR_REGS and PUSH_REGS Lai Jiangshan
2021-06-01  6:52 ` [RFC PATCH 4/4] x86/entry/nmi: unmask NMIs on userspace NMI when entry debugging Lai Jiangshan
2021-06-03 17:38   ` Andy Lutomirski

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