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From: Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>
To: Thomas Huth <thuth@redhat.com>
Cc: Peter Krempa <pkrempa@redhat.com>,
	Cornelia Huck <cohuck@redhat.com>, Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>,
	Peter Maydell <peter.maydell@linaro.org>,
	Boris Fiuczynski <fiuczy@linux.ibm.com>,
	Qemu-block <qemu-block@nongnu.org>,
	Libvirt <libvir-list@redhat.com>,
	Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>,
	QEMU Developers <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	Christian Borntraeger <borntraeger@de.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [libvirt] [PULL 25/26] block: Remove deprecated -drive option serial
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2018 08:40:57 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87wou1ez2e.fsf@dusky.pond.sub.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <28ef476f-7811-91ef-6c77-515f07235e7a@redhat.com> (Thomas Huth's message of "Wed, 11 Jul 2018 08:53:20 +0200")

Thomas Huth <thuth@redhat.com> writes:

> On 10.07.2018 17:24, Peter Krempa wrote:
>> On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 17:01:22 +0200, Cornelia Huck wrote:
>>> On Tue, 10 Jul 2018 16:39:31 +0200
>>> Peter Krempa <pkrempa@redhat.com> wrote:
>>>> On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 16:22:08 +0200, Cornelia Huck wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 10 Jul 2018 07:59:15 +0200
>>>>> Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com> wrote:
>> 
>> [...]
>> 
>>>>> "ERROR: 'old_option' is deprecated and will be removed; use 'modern_option' instead"
>>>>>
>>>>> and do an exit(1).
>>>>>
>>>>> Would that be workable?  
>>>>
>>>> For delivering the warnings via monitor you'll need a store that will
>>>> collect all the warnings and prepare them for delivery. You've got
>>>> basically two options:
>>>>
>>>> 1) monitor command to poll for deprecated options
>>>> 2) event with deprecated options
>>>>
>>>> Both require storing them since libvirt connects to the monitor only
>>>> after the command line is processed.
>>>>
>>>> Warnings printed to stderr are nearly useless because until something
>>>> breaks nobody bothers to read the log files.
>>>
>>> So, from that I gather that a hard failure would be the easiest for
>>> libvirt to detect (and everything else would become complicated really
>>> quickly), right?
>> 
>> People start complaining only when stuff breaks. If anything is optional
>> people will usually not enable it. That makes any non-mandatory option
>> not work in most cases.
>
> So would it help if we "invert" the logic, i.e. deprecated_report()
> would do exit(1) by default? Then, if the (human) users still want to
> continue with the deprecated option, they have to add a
> "--ignore-deprecation" command line switch to make QEMU start
> successfully...

You owe the God of Backward Compatibility one rubber chicken for
thinking this heretic thought!

  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-07-12  6:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 111+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-06-15 14:20 [Qemu-devel] [PULL 00/26] Block layer patches Kevin Wolf
2018-06-15 14:20 ` [Qemu-devel] [PULL 01/26] qemu-img: Fix assert when mapping unaligned raw file Kevin Wolf
2018-06-15 14:20 ` [Qemu-devel] [PULL 02/26] iotests: Add test 221 to catch qemu-img map regression Kevin Wolf
2018-06-15 14:20 ` [Qemu-devel] [PULL 03/26] jobs: fix stale wording Kevin Wolf
2018-06-15 14:20 ` [Qemu-devel] [PULL 04/26] jobs: fix verb references in docs Kevin Wolf
2018-06-15 14:20 ` [Qemu-devel] [PULL 05/26] rbd: Drop deprecated -drive parameter "filename" Kevin Wolf
2018-06-15 14:20 ` [Qemu-devel] [PULL 06/26] iscsi: " Kevin Wolf
2018-06-15 14:20 ` [Qemu-devel] [PULL 07/26] block: Add block-specific QDict header Kevin Wolf
2018-06-15 14:20 ` [Qemu-devel] [PULL 08/26] qobject: Move block-specific qdict code to block-qdict.c Kevin Wolf
2018-06-19 19:29   ` Eric Blake
2018-06-15 14:20 ` [Qemu-devel] [PULL 09/26] block: Fix -blockdev for certain non-string scalars Kevin Wolf
2018-06-15 14:20 ` [Qemu-devel] [PULL 10/26] block: Fix -drive " Kevin Wolf
2018-06-15 14:20 ` [Qemu-devel] [PULL 11/26] block: Clean up a misuse of qobject_to() in .bdrv_co_create_opts() Kevin Wolf
2018-06-15 14:20 ` [Qemu-devel] [PULL 12/26] block: Factor out qobject_input_visitor_new_flat_confused() Kevin Wolf
2018-06-15 14:20 ` [Qemu-devel] [PULL 13/26] block: Make remaining uses of qobject input visitor more robust Kevin Wolf
2018-06-15 14:20 ` [Qemu-devel] [PULL 14/26] block-qdict: Simplify qdict_flatten_qdict() Kevin Wolf
2018-06-15 14:20 ` [Qemu-devel] [PULL 15/26] block-qdict: Tweak qdict_flatten_qdict(), qdict_flatten_qlist() Kevin Wolf
2018-06-15 14:20 ` [Qemu-devel] [PULL 16/26] block-qdict: Clean up qdict_crumple() a bit Kevin Wolf
2018-06-15 14:20 ` [Qemu-devel] [PULL 17/26] block-qdict: Simplify qdict_is_list() some Kevin Wolf
2018-06-15 14:21 ` [Qemu-devel] [PULL 18/26] check-block-qdict: Rename qdict_flatten()'s variables for clarity Kevin Wolf
2018-06-15 14:21 ` [Qemu-devel] [PULL 19/26] check-block-qdict: Cover flattening of empty lists and dictionaries Kevin Wolf
2018-06-15 14:21 ` [Qemu-devel] [PULL 20/26] block: Fix -blockdev / blockdev-add for empty objects and arrays Kevin Wolf
2018-06-15 14:21 ` [Qemu-devel] [PULL 21/26] rbd: New parameter auth-client-required Kevin Wolf
2018-06-15 14:21 ` [Qemu-devel] [PULL 22/26] rbd: New parameter key-secret Kevin Wolf
2018-06-15 14:21 ` [Qemu-devel] [PULL 23/26] block: Remove deprecated -drive geometry options Kevin Wolf
2018-06-15 14:21 ` [Qemu-devel] [PULL 24/26] block: Remove deprecated -drive option addr Kevin Wolf
2018-06-15 14:21 ` [Qemu-devel] [PULL 25/26] block: Remove deprecated -drive option serial Kevin Wolf
2018-06-22 11:38   ` Christian Borntraeger
2018-06-22 12:51     ` [Qemu-devel] request a revert for "block: Remove deprecated -drive option serial" (was block: Remove deprecated -drive option serial) Christian Borntraeger
2018-06-22 20:08       ` [Qemu-devel] [qemu-s390x] " Thomas Huth
2018-06-22 12:55     ` [Qemu-devel] [PULL 25/26] block: Remove deprecated -drive option serial Kevin Wolf
2018-06-22 13:36       ` Christian Borntraeger
2018-06-22 14:00         ` Christian Borntraeger
2018-06-22 14:02         ` [Qemu-devel] [libvirt] " Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-06-22 14:25         ` [Qemu-devel] " Kevin Wolf
2018-06-22 14:31           ` [Qemu-devel] [libvirt] " Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-06-25  9:53             ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-06-25 11:41               ` Kevin Wolf
2018-06-25 11:45                 ` Peter Krempa
2018-07-02  8:04                   ` Kevin Wolf
2018-07-03 10:53                     ` Christian Borntraeger
2018-07-03 11:22                       ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-07-03 11:32                         ` Kevin Wolf
2018-07-03 11:35                           ` Peter Maydell
2018-07-03 12:38                             ` Christian Borntraeger
2018-07-03 11:35                           ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-07-04 13:02                           ` Cornelia Huck
2018-07-04 13:34                             ` Kevin Wolf
2018-07-04 13:43                               ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-07-04 14:23                                 ` Kevin Wolf
2018-07-04 13:52                               ` Christian Borntraeger
2018-07-04 13:58                               ` Cornelia Huck
2018-07-04 16:14                               ` Peter Maydell
2018-07-06 11:11                                 ` Cornelia Huck
2018-07-06 14:56                                   ` Kevin Wolf
2018-07-06 15:05                                     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-07-06 15:10                                     ` Peter Maydell
2018-07-09  6:33                                       ` Markus Armbruster
2018-07-09 11:08                                         ` Cornelia Huck
2018-07-09 11:17                                           ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-07-12  6:32                                             ` Markus Armbruster
2018-07-12 15:47                                               ` Thomas Huth
2018-07-13 11:35                                                 ` Cornelia Huck
2018-07-16 10:06                                                   ` Kashyap Chamarthy
2018-07-16  9:33                                                 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-07-09  7:29                                     ` Peter Krempa
2018-07-10  5:59                                       ` Markus Armbruster
2018-07-10 14:22                                         ` Cornelia Huck
2018-07-10 14:38                                           ` Kevin Wolf
2018-07-12  6:38                                             ` Markus Armbruster
2018-07-12  6:51                                               ` Markus Armbruster
2018-07-12  7:48                                                 ` Cornelia Huck
2018-07-12  9:05                                                   ` Kevin Wolf
2018-07-12 11:14                                                   ` Markus Armbruster
2018-07-12  7:00                                               ` Peter Krempa
2018-07-12 11:19                                                 ` Markus Armbruster
2018-07-10 14:39                                           ` Peter Krempa
2018-07-10 15:01                                             ` Cornelia Huck
2018-07-10 15:24                                               ` Peter Krempa
2018-07-11  6:53                                                 ` Thomas Huth
2018-07-11  7:24                                                   ` Cornelia Huck
2018-07-12  6:40                                                   ` Markus Armbruster [this message]
2018-07-12  6:59                                                 ` Markus Armbruster
2018-07-12  7:19                                                   ` Peter Krempa
2018-07-12 11:33                                                     ` Markus Armbruster
2018-07-10 17:01                                               ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-07-11 13:48                                               ` Kashyap Chamarthy
2018-07-10 15:09                                           ` Peter Maydell
2018-07-10 16:59                                             ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-07-09  6:58                                   ` Thomas Huth
2018-07-09 11:58                                     ` Cornelia Huck
2018-06-22 14:38           ` [Qemu-devel] " Christian Borntraeger
2018-06-22 14:47             ` Peter Maydell
2018-06-22 15:01             ` Kevin Wolf
2018-06-22 15:50               ` Christian Borntraeger
2018-06-22 15:40           ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-06-22 17:54             ` Kevin Wolf
2018-06-25 11:18               ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-06-25 10:01             ` Peter Maydell
2018-06-25 10:31               ` Peter Krempa
2018-06-25 10:35                 ` Peter Maydell
2018-06-25  7:44           ` Thomas Huth
2018-06-22 14:19       ` Markus Armbruster
2018-06-22 14:25         ` [Qemu-devel] [libvirt] " Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-06-22 14:30           ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-06-22 15:00             ` Eric Blake
2018-06-25  7:16       ` Peter Krempa
2018-06-25  8:23         ` Thomas Huth
2018-06-25  9:04           ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-06-15 14:21 ` [Qemu-devel] [PULL 26/26] block: Remove dead deprecation warning code Kevin Wolf
2018-06-15 16:28 ` [Qemu-devel] [PULL 00/26] Block layer patches Peter Maydell

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