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From: Marc Zyngier <maz@kernel.org>
To: Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org>
Cc: Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>, Oliver Upton <oupton@kernel.org>,
	Fuad Tabba <fuad.tabba@linux.dev>,
	Joey Gouly <joey.gouly@arm.com>,
	Steffen Eiden <seiden@linux.ibm.com>,
	Suzuki K Poulose <suzuki.poulose@arm.com>,
	Zenghui Yu <yuzenghui@huawei.com>,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, kvmarm@lists.linux.dev,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] KVM: arm64: Enable S1PIE for nVHE and hVHE
Date: Fri, 04 Sep 2026 14:23:32 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87y0dh40bv.wl-maz@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <05f1e2f4-173a-4226-8c98-1452c20f0a47@sirena.org.uk>

On Fri, 04 Sep 2026 12:48:14 +0100,
Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org> wrote:
> 
> On Fri, Sep 04, 2026 at 12:29:23PM +0100, Will Deacon wrote:
> > On Fri, Sep 04, 2026 at 11:33:24AM +0100, Mark Brown wrote:
> 
> > > What about pKVM, my understanding was that that is very much an ongoing
> > > concern and uses the nVHE hypervisor?  My expectation was that this
> > > would only ever get used in hVHE configurations when people enable pKVM
> > > on modern hardware, actual nVHE mode was mostly just carried along with
> > > that.
> 
> > pKVM uses hVHE wherever it can nowadays, so I'm fine with only supporting
> > S1PIE on hVHE and VHE configurations if that's easier to maintain. We
> > just need to make sure that the failure mode for nVHE results in the
> > feature being gracefully disabled, rather than e.g. crashing or quietly
> > doing the wrong thing.
> 
> I figure that if we're supporting hVHE it will end up less complicated
> to also enable nVHE, it reduces the potential for having bad or missing
> fallback paths for features downstream of S1POE.  It's not like it's a
> huge extra bit of code and it seems likely to save hassle down the line.

It's not about the code size. it's about the code being *dead*. Nobody
is going to maintain this configuration, because this is a silly one.

KVM with E2H==0 has reached its architectural peak years ago. We're
not adding anything to it anymore, and all new architectural bits
require running with E2H==1.

	M.

-- 
Jazz isn't dead. It just smells funny.


  parent reply	other threads:[~2026-09-04 13:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-09-03 23:14 [PATCH 0/2] KVM: arm64: Enable S1PIE for nVHE and hVHE Mark Brown
2026-09-03 23:14 ` [PATCH 1/2] KVM: arm64: Initialise TCR2_EL2 for nVHE mode Mark Brown
2026-09-04  7:32   ` Marc Zyngier
2026-09-04 11:35     ` Mark Brown
2026-09-04 13:13       ` Marc Zyngier
2026-09-03 23:14 ` [PATCH 2/2] KVM: arm64: Enable S1PIE for nVHE and hVHE Mark Brown
2026-09-04  7:25   ` Marc Zyngier
2026-09-04 10:33     ` Mark Brown
2026-09-04 11:29       ` Will Deacon
2026-09-04 11:48         ` Mark Brown
2026-09-04 12:20           ` Fuad Tabba
2026-09-04 13:38             ` Mark Brown
2026-09-04 13:57               ` Marc Zyngier
2026-09-04 17:40                 ` Mark Brown
2026-09-04 13:41             ` Will Deacon
2026-09-04 14:13               ` Alexandru Elisei
2026-09-04 13:23           ` Marc Zyngier [this message]
2026-09-04 13:53             ` Mark Brown

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