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From: Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>
To: John Snow <jsnow@redhat.com>
Cc: qemu-devel <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	 Peter Maydell <peter.maydell@linaro.org>,
	 Michael Roth <michael.roth@amd.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 11/23] docs/qapidoc: add preamble() method
Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2025 10:30:18 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87y0zdivyt.fsf@pond.sub.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAFn=p-Z2xsGO6MHzHiVMF9tTPSrtFytwdhbY=ipJpY8VUGYZ0w@mail.gmail.com> (John Snow's message of "Mon, 13 Jan 2025 15:53:19 -0500")

John Snow <jsnow@redhat.com> writes:

> On Fri, Jan 10, 2025 at 7:19 AM Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com> wrote:
>
>> John Snow <jsnow@redhat.com> writes:
>>
>> > On Thu, Jan 9, 2025, 5:34 AM Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> John Snow <jsnow@redhat.com> writes:
>> >>
>> >> > On Fri, Dec 20, 2024 at 9:15 AM Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> John Snow <jsnow@redhat.com> writes:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > This method adds the options/preamble to each definition block. Notably,
>> >> >> > :since: and :ifcond: are added, as are any "special features" such as
>> >> >> > :deprecated: and :unstable:.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Signed-off-by: John Snow <jsnow@redhat.com>
>> >> >> > ---
>> >> >> >  docs/sphinx/qapidoc.py | 33 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++-
>> >> >> >  1 file changed, 32 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-)
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > diff --git a/docs/sphinx/qapidoc.py b/docs/sphinx/qapidoc.py
>> >> >> > index 6f8f69077b1..85c7ce94564 100644
>> >> >> > --- a/docs/sphinx/qapidoc.py
>> >> >> > +++ b/docs/sphinx/qapidoc.py
>> >> >> > @@ -38,7 +38,7 @@
>> >> >> >  from qapi.error import QAPIError, QAPISemError
>> >> >> >  from qapi.gen import QAPISchemaVisitor
>> >> >> >  from qapi.parser import QAPIDoc
>> >> >> > -from qapi.schema import QAPISchema
>> >> >> > +from qapi.schema import QAPISchema, QAPISchemaEntity
>> >> >> >  from qapi.source import QAPISourceInfo
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >  from sphinx import addnodes
>> >> >> > @@ -125,6 +125,37 @@ def ensure_blank_line(self) -> None:
>> >> >> >              # +2: correct for zero/one index, then increment by one.
>> >> >> >              self.add_line_raw("", fname, line + 2)
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > +    # Transmogrification helpers
>> >> >> > +
>> >> >> > +    def preamble(self, ent: QAPISchemaEntity) -> None:
>> >> >> > +        """
>> >> >> > +        Generate option lines for qapi entity directives.
>> >> >> > +        """
>> >> >> > +        if ent.doc and ent.doc.since:
>> >> >> > +            assert ent.doc.since.tag == QAPIDoc.Tag.SINCE
>> >> >> > +            # Generated from the entity's docblock; info location is exact.
>> >> >> > +            self.add_line(f":since: {ent.doc.since.text}", ent.doc.since.info)
>> >> >> > +
>> >> >> > +        if ent.ifcond.is_present():
>> >> >> > +            doc = ent.ifcond.docgen()
>> >> >> > +            # Generated from entity definition; info location is approximate.
>> >> >> > +            self.add_line(f":ifcond: {doc}", ent.info)
>> >> >> > +
>> >> >> > +        # Hoist special features such as :deprecated: and :unstable:
>> >> >> > +        # into the options block for the entity. If, in the future, new
>> >> >> > +        # special features are added, qapi-domain will chirp about
>> >> >> > +        # unrecognized options and fail.
>> >> >> > +        for feat in ent.features:
>> >> >> > +            if feat.is_special():
>> >> >> > +                # We don't expect special features to have an ifcond property.
>> >> >> > +                # (Hello, intrepid developer in the future who changed that!)
>> >> >> > +                # ((With luck, you are not me.))
>> >> >> > +                assert not feat.ifcond.is_present()
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Nope :)
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The attempt to add a conditional special feature now fails with
>> >> >>
>> >> >>     Sphinx parallel build error:
>> >> >>     AssertionError
>> >> >>
>> >> >> If you want to outlaw conditional special features, reject them cleanly
>> >> >> in schema.py, document the restriction in docs/devel/qapi-code-gen.rst,
>> >> >> and explain why in the commit message.  Recommend a separate commit, to
>> >> >> make it stand out in git-log.
>> >> >
>> >> > Do you advocate this? I wasn't sure what it *meant* for a special feature
>> >> > to be conditional; I couldn't conceive of what it meant to have an ifcond
>> >> > for "deprecated" or "unstable", for instance. It sounds like it isn't well
>> >> > defined, but we happen to not expressly forbid it.

[...]

>> I believe what you need isn't so much an explanation of semantics, it's
>> use cases.  And that's fair!
>>
>> Let me offer two.
>>
>> 1. Imagine we're trying to develop something big & complex enough to
>>    make keeping it out of tree until done impractical.  We feel even an
>>    in-tree branch would be impractical.  Instead, we commit it to
>>    master, default off, configure --enable-complex-thing to get it.  Not
>>    exactly something we do all the time, but not outlandish, either.
>>
>>    Further imagine that the big & complex thing will involve some new
>>    QMP commands replacing existing ones.  As usual, we want to mark the
>>    ones being replaced deprecated, so we can remove them after a grace
>>    period.
>>
>>    But simply deprecating them in the schema would be premature!  The
>>    big & complex thing may fail, and if it does, we rip it out.  If it
>>    succeeds, we enable it unconditionally.
>>
>>    We can express what we're doing by making feature deprecated
>>    conditional on CONFIG_COMPLEX_THING, which is defined by
>>    --enable-complex-thing.
>>
>>    That way, the complex thing doesn't affect the QMP interface unless
>>    we enable it.  Good.  And if we enable it, we do get the deprecation,
>>    and can test management applications cope with it.
>>
>> 2. Imagine we turned allow-preconfig into a special feature.  Further
>>    imagine some whole-stack feature requires a certain command to have
>>    allow-preconfig, and you got tasked with implementing it.  Which you
>>    duly did, to everybody's satisfaction.  It is now days to the
>>    release, rc4 has sailed, and some dude comes out of the woodwork to
>>    report the command crashes in preconfig state.  Weird!  It worked
>>    *fine* in your meticulous testing.  After some back and forth, you
>>    discover that the reporter builds with --enable-exotic-crap, which
>>    you didn't test, because you weren't even aware it exists.  You
>>    enable it, and now the command crashes for you, too.  Fixing this
>>    after rc4 is out of the question, too much churn.  You could,
>>    however, make feature allow-preconfig conditional on not
>>    CONFIG_EXOTIC_CRAP.
>>
>> >> [...]
>>
>>
> Hm, alright. I think I'll just stub out conditionals with a TODO and circle
> back to how I'll handle them; I need to do a pass on ifcond handling in
> general, so I guess I'll get to it then.

Makes sense (although I'd use FIXME rather than TODO).

If resolving them turns out to be hard, we can talk about adding
restrictions to help you over the hump.

>                                          I still think it's a little weird,
> but you don't, and you're the QAPI guy ;)

I admit constructing believable use cases took a bit of thought.
Calling them a little weird can't offend me :)



  reply	other threads:[~2025-01-14  9:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-12-13  2:18 [PATCH 00/23] docs: add basic sphinx-domain rST generator to qapidoc John Snow
2024-12-13  2:18 ` [PATCH 01/23] docs/qapidoc: support header-less freeform sections John Snow
2024-12-16 13:15   ` Markus Armbruster
2025-01-13 19:12     ` John Snow
2025-01-14  9:19       ` Markus Armbruster
2024-12-13  2:18 ` [PATCH 02/23] qapi/parser: adjust info location for doc body section John Snow
2024-12-13  2:18 ` [PATCH 03/23] docs/qapidoc: remove example section support John Snow
2024-12-18 12:27   ` Markus Armbruster
2024-12-18 15:15     ` John Snow
2025-01-09  7:50       ` Markus Armbruster
2024-12-13  2:18 ` [PATCH 04/23] qapi: expand tags to all doc sections John Snow
2024-12-18 10:58   ` Markus Armbruster
2024-12-18 15:14     ` John Snow
2025-01-09  7:51       ` Markus Armbruster
2024-12-20 13:13   ` Markus Armbruster
2025-01-09 18:49     ` John Snow
2025-01-10  7:33       ` Markus Armbruster
2024-12-13  2:18 ` [PATCH 05/23] qapi/schema: add __repr__ to QAPIDoc.Section John Snow
2024-12-13  2:18 ` [PATCH 06/23] docs/qapidoc: add transmogrifier stub John Snow
2024-12-13  2:18 ` [PATCH 07/23] docs/qapidoc: add transmogrifier class stub John Snow
2024-12-13  2:18 ` [PATCH 08/23] docs/qapidoc: add visit_module() method John Snow
2024-12-13  2:18 ` [PATCH 09/23] qapi/source: allow multi-line QAPISourceInfo advancing John Snow
2024-12-20 13:22   ` Markus Armbruster
2025-01-08 21:18     ` John Snow
2025-01-09  8:00       ` Markus Armbruster
2025-01-09 17:19         ` John Snow
2025-01-10  7:37           ` Markus Armbruster
2024-12-13  2:18 ` [PATCH 10/23] docs/qapidoc: add visit_freeform() method John Snow
2024-12-20 13:25   ` Markus Armbruster
2025-01-13 20:14     ` John Snow
2024-12-13  2:18 ` [PATCH 11/23] docs/qapidoc: add preamble() method John Snow
2024-12-20 14:15   ` Markus Armbruster
2025-01-08 22:58     ` John Snow
2025-01-09 10:34       ` Markus Armbruster
2025-01-09 18:04         ` John Snow
2025-01-10 12:19           ` Markus Armbruster
2025-01-13 20:53             ` John Snow
2025-01-14  9:30               ` Markus Armbruster [this message]
2024-12-13  2:18 ` [PATCH 12/23] docs/qapidoc: add visit_paragraph() method John Snow
2024-12-13  2:18 ` [PATCH 13/23] docs/qapidoc: add visit_errors() method John Snow
2024-12-13  2:18 ` [PATCH 14/23] docs/qapidoc: add format_type() method John Snow
2024-12-13  2:18 ` [PATCH 15/23] docs/qapidoc: add add_field() and generate_field() helper methods John Snow
2024-12-13  2:18 ` [PATCH 16/23] docs/qapidoc: add visit_feature() method John Snow
2024-12-20 14:21   ` Markus Armbruster
2025-01-08 22:46     ` John Snow
2024-12-13  2:18 ` [PATCH 17/23] docs/qapidoc: record current documented entity in transmogrifier John Snow
2024-12-20 14:23   ` Markus Armbruster
2025-01-08 21:11     ` John Snow
2025-01-09 10:35       ` Markus Armbruster
2024-12-13  2:18 ` [PATCH 18/23] docs/qapidoc: add visit_returns() method John Snow
2024-12-13  2:18 ` [PATCH 19/23] docs/qapidoc: add visit_member() method John Snow
2024-12-13  2:18 ` [PATCH 20/23] docs/qapidoc: add visit_sections() method John Snow
2024-12-13  2:18 ` [PATCH 21/23] docs/qapidoc: add visit_entity() John Snow
2024-12-13  2:18 ` [PATCH 22/23] docs/qapidoc: implement transmogrify() method John Snow
2024-12-13  2:18 ` [PATCH 23/23] docs/qapidoc: add transmogrifier test document John Snow
2024-12-19 12:31 ` [PATCH 00/23] docs: add basic sphinx-domain rST generator to qapidoc Markus Armbruster
2025-01-08 21:08   ` John Snow
2025-01-09 11:48     ` Markus Armbruster
2025-01-09 17:26       ` John Snow

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