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From: Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>
To: Michael Roth <michael.roth@amd.com>
Cc: <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,  <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
	 <pbonzini@redhat.com>, <berrange@redhat.com>,
	 <pankaj.gupta@amd.com>, <isaku.yamahata@intel.com>,
	 <xiaoyao.li@intel.com>, <chao.p.peng@linux.intel.com>,
	 <david@kernel.org>, <ashish.kalra@amd.com>,
	 <ackerleytng@google.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 04/12] accel/kvm: Add CGS option to control in-place conversion support
Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2026 10:15:41 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87zf15la6q.fsf@pond.sub.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <bhawvkft4dhs6aq7jcajyf2zqk2fo6rta37jwit45l3z2txmh2@3yav2up5cthy> (Michael Roth's message of "Wed, 3 Jun 2026 01:39:26 -0500")

Michael Roth <michael.roth@amd.com> writes:

> On Tue, Jun 02, 2026 at 10:23:40AM +0200, Markus Armbruster wrote:
>> Michael Roth <michael.roth@amd.com> writes:
>> 
>> > For confidential guests, guest_memfd is currently used only for private
>> > guest memory, and normal guest memory comes from the configured memory
>> > backend just as it does for a non-confidential guest. It is now possible
>> > to use the same physical memory to back a particular GPA regardless of
>> > whether it is in a shared or private state. This avoids the need to
>> > rely on discarding memory between shared/private conversions (to avoid
>> > doubled memory usage), and is intended to be the primary mode of using
>> > guest_memfd for confidential guests moving forward, and future features
>> > like hugepage support will likely require it.
>> >
>> > Add an option to enable this support. Since ConfidentialGuestSupport is
>> > already used to track some guest_memfd-related functionality (e.g.
>> > whether it is required for the configured machine), similarly introduce
>> > this option as a property of ConfidentialGuestSupport.
>> >
>> > Also add the KVM-specific checks to enable this support, but leave the
>> > option disabled until other required changes are implemented for
>> > CGS variants that intend to make use of KVM's in-place conversion
>> > support.
>> >
>> > Signed-off-by: Michael Roth <michael.roth@amd.com>
>> 
>> [...]
>> 
>> > diff --git a/qapi/qom.json b/qapi/qom.json
>> > index 502fafeb15..037c078799 100644
>> > --- a/qapi/qom.json
>> > +++ b/qapi/qom.json
>> > @@ -1014,6 +1014,21 @@
>> >    'if': 'CONFIG_IGVM',
>> >    'data': { 'file': 'str' } }
>> >  
>> > +##
>> > +# @ConfidentialGuestSupportProperties:
>> > +#
>> > +# Properties for ConfidentialGuestSupport base class.
>> > +#
>> > +# @convert-in-place: If true, the same physical pages are reused
>> > +#     when memory is converted between shared and private states.
>> > +#     If false (default), separate allocations are used depending
>> > +#     on whether the page is private or shared.
>> > +#
>> > +# Since: 11.1
>> > +##
>> > +{ 'struct': 'ConfidentialGuestSupportProperties',
>> > +  'data': { '*convert-in-place': 'bool' } }
>> > +
>> >  ##
>> >  # @SevCommonProperties:
>> >  #
>> > @@ -1038,6 +1053,7 @@
>> >  # Since: 9.1
>> >  ##
>> >  { 'struct': 'SevCommonProperties',
>> > +  'base': 'ConfidentialGuestSupportProperties',
>> >    'data': { '*sev-device': 'str',
>> >              '*cbitpos': 'uint32',
>> >              'reduced-phys-bits': 'uint32',
>> 
>> Why use a base type instead of simply adding @convert-in-place to
>> SevCommonProperties?
>> 
>
> My thinking was that TDX and other implementations would similarly enable
> this through their CGS implementation, so I went ahead and carved out a
> set of common properties that ConfidentialGuestSupport implementations
> could use the same ,convert-in-place=true option (or set it by default
> for newer implementations)

How confident are we in future reuse by TDX and others?

If there are doubts, refactoring for reuse when reuse happens would be
smarter.  The refactoring would be a bit of churn, but not all that
much.

If it's something like "pretty much inevitable", preparing the reuse now
saves us that churn, and makes sense.

Judgement call, i.e. you decide.

> It is sort of tied to the 'allow_convert_in_place' flag that is part of
> the common ConfidentialGuestSupport object struct, so the property
> handling is sort of tied to the common ConfidentialGuestSupport base
> class as well rather than something implementation-specific.

Valid point.  Not sure how much weight to assign to it, though.

> Not sure if there are better ways to handle all that though.

Work your rationale into the commit message, please.


  reply	other threads:[~2026-06-08 10:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-05-28  0:03 [PATCH RFC 00/12] guest_memfd: support in-place memory conversion Michael Roth
2026-05-28  0:03 ` [PATCH RFC 01/12] accel/kvm: Decouple guest_memfd checks from memory attribute checks Michael Roth
2026-05-28  0:03 ` [PATCH RFC 02/12] hostmem: Introduce dedicated memory backend for guest_memfd Michael Roth
2026-06-02  8:22   ` Markus Armbruster
2026-06-03  6:19     ` Michael Roth
2026-06-08  8:20       ` Markus Armbruster
2026-06-08 20:42         ` Michael Roth
2026-05-28  0:03 ` [PATCH RFC 03/12] linux-headers: Update headers for v7 of in-place conversion kernel support Michael Roth
2026-05-28  0:03 ` [PATCH RFC 04/12] accel/kvm: Add CGS option to control in-place conversion support Michael Roth
2026-06-02  8:23   ` Markus Armbruster
2026-06-03  6:39     ` Michael Roth
2026-06-08  8:15       ` Markus Armbruster [this message]
2026-06-08 20:21         ` Michael Roth
2026-05-28  0:03 ` [PATCH RFC 05/12] system/memory: Re-use memory-backend-guest-memfd inode for private memory Michael Roth
2026-05-28  0:03 ` [PATCH RFC 06/12] system/memory: Default to guest_memfd for RAM for in-place conversion Michael Roth
2026-05-28  0:03 ` [PATCH RFC 07/12] accel/kvm: Move post-conversion updates to a separate helper Michael Roth
2026-05-28  0:03 ` [PATCH RFC 08/12] accel/kvm: Re-order attribute notifications for in-place conversion Michael Roth
2026-05-28  0:03 ` [PATCH RFC 09/12] accel/kvm: Support shared/private conversions via guest_memfd ioctls Michael Roth
2026-06-04 13:19   ` Gupta, Pankaj
2026-06-04 23:36     ` Michael Roth
2026-06-04 23:36       ` Michael Roth via qemu development
2026-05-28  0:03 ` [PATCH RFC 10/12] accel/kvm: Don't default to private attributes for in-place conversion Michael Roth
2026-05-28  0:03 ` [PATCH RFC 11/12] i386/sev: Update SNP_LAUNCH_UPDATE " Michael Roth
2026-05-28  0:03 ` [PATCH RFC 12/12] i386/sev: Allow in-place conversion for SEV-SNP guests Michael Roth
2026-05-28  5:44 ` [PATCH RFC 00/12] guest_memfd: support in-place memory conversion Xiaoyao Li
2026-06-02 22:20   ` Michael Roth

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