From: "Toke Høiland-Jørgensen" <toke@redhat.com>
To: Daniel Borkmann <daniel@iogearbox.net>,
Stanislav Fomichev <stfomichev@gmail.com>,
Jesper Dangaard Brouer <hawk@kernel.org>
Cc: bpf@vger.kernel.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>,
lorenzo@kernel.org, Alexei Starovoitov <ast@kernel.org>,
Daniel Borkmann <borkmann@iogearbox.net>,
Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@gmail.com>,
"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
Paolo Abeni <pabeni@redhat.com>,
sdf@fomichev.me, kernel-team@cloudflare.com,
arthur@arthurfabre.com, jakub@cloudflare.com,
Magnus Karlsson <magnus.karlsson@intel.com>,
Maciej Fijalkowski <maciej.fijalkowski@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH bpf-next V1 7/7] net: xdp: update documentation for xdp-rx-metadata.rst
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2025 13:51:31 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87zfe7lxa4.fsf@toke.dk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <75b370cb-222c-411a-a961-d99a6c9dabe0@iogearbox.net>
Daniel Borkmann <daniel@iogearbox.net> writes:
> On 6/10/25 10:12 PM, Toke Høiland-Jørgensen wrote:
>> Daniel Borkmann <daniel@iogearbox.net> writes:
> [...]
>>> Also, have you thought about taking the opportunity to generalize the existing
>>> struct xsk_tx_metadata? It would be nice to actually use the same/similar struct
>>> for RX and TX, similarly as done in struct virtio_net_hdr. Such that we have
>>> XDP_{RX,TX}_METADATA and XDP_{RX,TX}MD_FLAGS_* to describe what meta data we
>>> have and from a developer PoV this will be a nicely consistent API in XDP. Then
>>> you could store at the right location in the meta data region just with
>>> bpf_xdp_metadata_* kfuncs (and/or plain BPF code) and finally set XDP_RX_METADATA
>>> indicator bit.
>>
>> Wouldn't this make the whole thing (effectively) UAPI?
>
> I'm not sure I follow, we already have this in place for the meta data
> region in AF_XDP, this would extend the scope to RX as well, so there
> would be a similar 'look and feel' in that sense it is already a
> developer API which is used.
Right, but with this series, the format of struct xdp_rx_meta is
internal kernel API that we can change whenever we want. Whereas
exposing it to AF_XDP would make it an UAPI contract, no? IIRC, the
whole point of using kfuncs to extract the metadata from the drivers was
to avoid defining a UAPI format. This does make things a bit more
cumbersome for AF_XDP, but if we are going to expose a struct format for
this we might as well get rid of the whole kfunc machinery just have the
drivers populate the struct before executing XDP?
Or am I misunderstanding what you're proposing?
-Toke
prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-06-16 11:51 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-06-03 17:45 [PATCH bpf-next V1 0/7] xdp: Propagate RX HW hints for XDP_REDIRECTed packets via xdp_frame Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2025-06-03 17:45 ` [PATCH bpf-next V1 1/7] net: xdp: Add xdp_rx_meta structure Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2025-06-03 17:46 ` [PATCH bpf-next V1 2/7] selftests/bpf: Adjust test for maximum packet size in xdp_do_redirect Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2025-06-03 17:46 ` [PATCH bpf-next V1 3/7] net: xdp: Add kfuncs to store hw metadata in xdp_buff Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2025-06-16 21:55 ` Jakub Kicinski
2025-06-03 17:46 ` [PATCH bpf-next V1 4/7] net: xdp: Set skb hw metadata from xdp_frame Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2025-06-03 17:46 ` [PATCH bpf-next V1 5/7] net: veth: Read xdp metadata from rx_meta struct if available Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2025-06-03 17:46 ` [PATCH bpf-next V1 6/7] bpf: selftests: Add rx_meta store kfuncs selftest Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2025-06-06 21:57 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-06-06 22:16 ` Lorenzo Bianconi
2025-06-03 17:46 ` [PATCH bpf-next V1 7/7] net: xdp: update documentation for xdp-rx-metadata.rst Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2025-06-06 2:45 ` Stanislav Fomichev
2025-06-10 13:48 ` Daniel Borkmann
2025-06-10 20:12 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2025-06-10 22:26 ` Lorenzo Bianconi
2025-06-11 3:40 ` Stanislav Fomichev
2025-06-13 10:59 ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2025-06-16 15:34 ` Stanislav Fomichev
2025-06-17 16:15 ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2025-06-17 20:47 ` Stanislav Fomichev
2025-06-16 12:37 ` Lorenzo Bianconi
2025-06-16 15:45 ` Stanislav Fomichev
2025-06-16 16:40 ` Lorenzo Bianconi
2025-06-17 11:50 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2025-06-17 14:47 ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2025-06-17 15:10 ` Performance impact of disabling VLAN offload [was: Re: [PATCH bpf-next V1 7/7] net: xdp: update documentation for xdp-rx-metadata.rst] Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2025-06-19 12:09 ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2025-06-19 12:23 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2025-06-13 11:18 ` [PATCH bpf-next V1 7/7] net: xdp: update documentation for xdp-rx-metadata.rst Daniel Borkmann
2025-06-16 11:51 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen [this message]
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