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From: Thomas Rast <trast@inf.ethz.ch>
To: Ramkumar Ramachandra <artagnon@gmail.com>
Cc: Jeff King <peff@peff.net>,
	Felipe Contreras <felipe.contreras@gmail.com>,
	Jonathan Nieder <jrnieder@gmail.com>,
	Duy Nguyen <pclouds@gmail.com>,
	"Git Mailing List" <git@vger.kernel.org>,
	Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>,
	Brandon Casey <drafnel@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] Move sequencer to builtin
Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2013 21:25:06 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87zjuz84tp.fsf@hexa.v.cablecom.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALkWK0kkhDOSSdF=E4PvO24hg++_FpP3YFaGRD3yq80XG0TRJA@mail.gmail.com> (Ramkumar Ramachandra's message of "Mon, 10 Jun 2013 00:02:11 +0530")

Ramkumar Ramachandra <artagnon@gmail.com> writes:

> Jeff King wrote:
>> I actually think word choice and politeness is only a small part of it,
>> and one that I live without.  It is not just _how_ something is said,
>> but _what_ is said. And sometimes what is said does not lead in a
>> productive direction. I found Thomas's comment here:
>>
>>   http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.version-control.git/227053
>>
>> sums up the core of many of the conflicts I've seen on the list.
>
> This is all very good, Jeff.  Various people have expressed what's
> wrong with fc's "demeanour", "tone", and "style of discussion" in
> various different ways at various different points in time.  This goes
> on and on and on with no end in sight. WHAT do we do?
>
> I'll be frank: I'm a pragmatic person, and I want to see work.
> Despite all this mess, who has shown me the most number of patches
> with some direction?  Felipe.  Who gets the most number of patches
> into git.git, by far?  Felipe.  And who is wasting time theorizing
> about what's wrong with Felipe in various ways?  Everyone else.

At what cost?

The arguments arise to a large degree from attempting to review his
work.  Not doing so is not an option, see e.g.:

  http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.version-control.git/223279
  http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.version-control.git/225969
  http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.version-control.git/226125

And that's not even counting the part of the argument that arises purely
from deliberate flaunting of the project's guidelines.

-- 
Thomas Rast
trast@{inf,student}.ethz.ch

  parent reply	other threads:[~2013-06-09 19:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 82+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-06-07 22:16 [PATCH 0/2] Move sequencer Felipe Contreras
2013-06-07 22:16 ` [PATCH 1/2] log-tree: remove dependency from sequencer Felipe Contreras
2013-06-07 22:16 ` [PATCH 2/2] Move sequencer to builtin Felipe Contreras
2013-06-08  2:35   ` Duy Nguyen
2013-06-08 10:14     ` Felipe Contreras
2013-06-08 11:42       ` Duy Nguyen
2013-06-08 12:25         ` Felipe Contreras
2013-06-08 12:34           ` Duy Nguyen
2013-06-08 12:55             ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-06-08 13:15               ` Duy Nguyen
2013-06-08 13:32                 ` Felipe Contreras
2013-06-08 13:34                 ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-06-08 14:10                   ` Felipe Contreras
2013-06-08 14:10                   ` Duy Nguyen
2013-06-08 14:20                     ` Felipe Contreras
2013-06-09  4:34                       ` Jeff King
2013-06-09  9:58                         ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-06-09 17:55                           ` Jeff King
2013-06-09 18:06                             ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-06-09 18:11                               ` Felipe Contreras
2013-06-09 18:22                               ` Jeff King
2013-06-09 18:29                                 ` Felipe Contreras
2013-06-09 18:44                                 ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-06-09 18:49                                   ` Jeff King
2013-06-09 18:54                                     ` Felipe Contreras
2013-06-09 18:07                             ` Felipe Contreras
2013-06-09 12:09                         ` Felipe Contreras
2013-06-08 13:28             ` Felipe Contreras
2013-06-08 16:49         ` Jonathan Nieder
2013-06-08 17:06           ` Felipe Contreras
2013-06-08 17:34             ` Jonathan Nieder
2013-06-08 17:44               ` Felipe Contreras
2013-06-08 19:15               ` Felipe Contreras
2013-06-09  1:40                 ` Jonathan Nieder
2013-06-09  2:17                   ` Felipe Contreras
2013-06-09  3:21                     ` Jonathan Nieder
2013-06-09  3:34                       ` Felipe Contreras
2013-06-09  5:26                     ` Jeff King
2013-06-09 12:15                       ` Felipe Contreras
2013-06-09 17:40                         ` Jeff King
2013-06-09 18:01                           ` Felipe Contreras
2013-06-09 18:10                             ` Jeff King
2013-06-09 18:16                               ` Felipe Contreras
2013-06-09 19:11                                 ` Johan Herland
2013-06-09 19:29                                   ` Felipe Contreras
2013-06-09 21:42                                   ` Michael Haggerty
2013-06-09 23:40                                     ` Stefano Lattarini
2013-06-10  5:15                                       ` Felipe Contreras
2013-06-10  9:05                                         ` Bad attitudes and problems in the Git community (was: Re: [PATCH 2/2] Move sequencer to builtin) Stefano Lattarini
2013-06-10 16:58                                           ` Felipe Contreras
2013-06-10 18:11                                             ` Martin von Zweigbergk
2013-06-10 18:33                                               ` Martin Langhoff
2013-06-10 18:40                                                 ` Martin von Zweigbergk
2013-06-10 21:34                                               ` Felipe Contreras
2013-06-10  5:12                                     ` [PATCH 2/2] Move sequencer to builtin Felipe Contreras
2013-06-11  9:18                             ` Andres Freund
2013-06-11  9:29                               ` Felipe Contreras
2013-06-20 21:11                                 ` Thiago Farina
2013-06-09 17:53                         ` Thomas Rast
2013-06-09 18:03                           ` Felipe Contreras
2013-06-09 12:48                       ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-06-09 13:08                         ` Felipe Contreras
2013-06-09 18:04                         ` Jeff King
2013-06-09 18:32                           ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-06-09 18:45                             ` Jeff King
2013-06-09 19:57                               ` Jonathan Nieder
2013-06-09 20:07                                 ` Felipe Contreras
2013-06-09 20:34                                 ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-06-09 21:39                               ` Junio C Hamano
2013-06-10  5:06                                 ` Felipe Contreras
2013-06-10  8:32                                   ` Junio C Hamano
2013-06-10 16:53                                     ` Felipe Contreras
2013-06-10 16:55                                       ` Felipe Contreras
2013-06-10 17:34                                       ` Matthieu Moy
2013-06-10 18:09                                         ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-06-10 21:43                                         ` Felipe Contreras
2013-06-09 18:48                             ` Felipe Contreras
2013-06-09 19:25                             ` Thomas Rast [this message]
2013-06-09 19:54                               ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-06-09 20:02                                 ` Felipe Contreras
2013-06-08  3:35 ` [PATCH 0/2] Move sequencer Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-06-08 10:26   ` Felipe Contreras

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