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From: Pierre-Louis Bossart <pierre-louis.bossart@linux.dev>
To: "Péter Ujfalusi" <peter.ujfalusi@linux.intel.com>,
	vkoul@kernel.org, perex@perex.cz, tiwai@suse.com,
	lgirdwood@gmail.com, broonie@kernel.org,
	srinivas.kandagatla@oss.qualcomm.com
Cc: linux-sound@vger.kernel.org, kai.vehmanen@linux.intel.com,
	yung-chuan.liao@linux.intel.com, daniel.baluta@nxp.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 19/24] ASoC: SOF: ipc4-topology: Set FAST_MODE for host copier in compr mode
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2026 21:08:34 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <8f29b02a-6aec-4a0c-b375-adb67c38e60b@linux.dev> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <e210f571-fa14-4994-af7c-ca0302ba35ed@linux.intel.com>


>>> FAST_MODE allows the host DMA to work in opportunistic, free running mode,
>>> which matches with the bitstream nature of compressed devices.
>>
>> Does it?
> 
> Yes, it does.
> 
>> My memory of the 'opportunistic' behavior was that the DMA would try to
>> use every possible window to send to/from the DSP, so that the bus would
>> be idle for longer periods of time overall.
> 
> The FAST_MODE detaches the host copier form the sampling rate completely
> and will 'allow' prolonged periods w/o new data to be available. The
> IPC4 definition of the feature bit says:
> /* If FAST_MODE bit is set in CopierModuleCfg::copier_feature_mask then
>    copier is able to transfer more than ibs. This bit shall be set only
>    if all sinks are connected to data processing queue.
> */
>> That would make sense as well for PCM, no?
> 
> We have similar mode for PCMs with Deep Bufferr, but that is a different
> mechanism: it only makes the DMA move in bigger chunks, expressed in ms
> (SOF_TKN_INTEL_COPIER_DEEP_BUFFER_DMA_MS -> dma_buffer_size), so it is
> still bound by the sampling rate checks. It is not opportunistic.
>> Maybe this is the right thing to do for compressed data, I just wonder
>> why it is NOT the right thing to do for PCM...
> 
> Basically FAST_MODE is a free run mode of the host copier. A PCM stream
> has a sampling rate the host side can and should be paced by, a
> compressed stream is a bitstream where the host side has no such reference.

For the host-dsp transfers, there is no reason at all for the DMAs to be
paced by the PCM rate...It's only for the DSP-interface DMAs that it
makes sense.

  reply	other threads:[~2026-09-11 19:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 47+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-09-09  9:09 [PATCH v2 00/24] ALSA compress / ASoC compress / SOF: Compressed audio support with IPC4 Peter Ujfalusi
2026-09-09  9:09 ` [PATCH v2 01/24] ALSA: compress: pin card module while stream is open Peter Ujfalusi
2026-09-09 15:12   ` Takashi Iwai
2026-09-09  9:09 ` [PATCH v2 02/24] ALSA: compress: register the open file with the card Peter Ujfalusi
2026-09-09 15:12   ` Takashi Iwai
2026-09-09  9:09 ` [PATCH v2 03/24] ALSA: compress: stop active streams on disconnect Peter Ujfalusi
2026-09-09  9:09 ` [PATCH v2 04/24] ASoC: soc-compress: Provide a runtime for the compressed FE substream Peter Ujfalusi
2026-09-09  9:09 ` [PATCH v2 05/24] ASoC: soc-compress: Implement trigger FE-BE sequencing as with normal PCMs Peter Ujfalusi
2026-09-09  9:09 ` [PATCH v2 06/24] ASoC: soc-compress: Stop running dpcm on free Peter Ujfalusi
2026-09-09  9:09 ` [PATCH v2 07/24] ASoC: SOF: compress: Rename compress ops with ipc3 prefix Peter Ujfalusi
2026-09-09 12:34   ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2026-09-10 14:13     ` Péter Ujfalusi
2026-09-09  9:09 ` [PATCH v2 08/24] ASoC: SOF: ipc4-pcm: harden pipeline teardown races Peter Ujfalusi
2026-09-09 12:37   ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2026-09-09  9:09 ` [PATCH v2 09/24] ASoC: SOF: sof-audio: do not dereference swidget->spipe unconditionally on free Peter Ujfalusi
2026-09-09 12:39   ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2026-09-09  9:09 ` [PATCH v2 10/24] ASoC: SOF: sof-audio: Expose a couple of functions Peter Ujfalusi
2026-09-09 12:41   ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2026-09-09  9:09 ` [PATCH v2 11/24] ASoC: SOF: pcm: Modify the signature of a couple of PCM IPC ops Peter Ujfalusi
2026-09-09 12:43   ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2026-09-09  9:09 ` [PATCH v2 12/24] ASoC: SOF: intel: hda-stream: Clear the current position when releasing stream Peter Ujfalusi
2026-09-09 12:45   ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2026-09-11  6:31     ` Péter Ujfalusi
2026-09-09  9:09 ` [PATCH v2 13/24] ASoC: SOF: ops: Add new platform-specific ops for compress Peter Ujfalusi
2026-09-09 14:23   ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2026-09-10 14:25     ` Péter Ujfalusi
2026-09-09  9:09 ` [PATCH v2 14/24] ASoC: SOF: ipc4: Add definition of module data in init_ext object type Peter Ujfalusi
2026-09-09 12:49   ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2026-09-09  9:09 ` [PATCH v2 15/24] ASoC: SOF: ipc4-topology: Support init_ext_module_data for process modules Peter Ujfalusi
2026-09-09  9:09 ` [PATCH v2 16/24] ASoC: SOF: ipc4-pcm: Make the timestamp info usable outside of ipc4-pcm.c Peter Ujfalusi
2026-09-09  9:09 ` [PATCH v2 17/24] ASoC: SOF: ipc4/ipc4-loader: Add SOF_INFO and CODEC_INFO to fw_config_params Peter Ujfalusi
2026-09-09  9:09 ` [PATCH v2 18/24] ASoC: SOF: ipc4-pcm: Handle COMPR DRAIN triggers as EOS pipeline state Peter Ujfalusi
2026-09-09  9:09 ` [PATCH v2 19/24] ASoC: SOF: ipc4-topology: Set FAST_MODE for host copier in compr mode Peter Ujfalusi
2026-09-09 13:21   ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2026-09-10 14:49     ` Péter Ujfalusi
2026-09-11 19:08       ` Pierre-Louis Bossart [this message]
2026-09-09  9:09 ` [PATCH v2 20/24] ASoC: SOF: Add support for IPC4 compressed Peter Ujfalusi
2026-09-09  9:09 ` [PATCH v2 21/24] ASoC: SOF: ipc4: Handle compressed drain done notification from firmware Peter Ujfalusi
2026-09-09 13:28   ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2026-09-10 15:08     ` Péter Ujfalusi
2026-09-09  9:09 ` [PATCH v2 22/24] ASoC: SOF: Intel: Kconfig: Remove redundant IPC version selects Peter Ujfalusi
2026-09-09 13:29   ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2026-09-09  9:09 ` [PATCH v2 23/24] ASoC: SOF: Intel: Kconfig: Select compress support for TGL+ platforms Peter Ujfalusi
2026-09-09 13:37   ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2026-09-10 14:57     ` Péter Ujfalusi
2026-09-09  9:09 ` [PATCH v2 24/24] ASoC: SOF: topology: Add support for decoder and encoder widgets Peter Ujfalusi
2026-09-09 13:42 ` [PATCH v2 00/24] ALSA compress / ASoC compress / SOF: Compressed audio support with IPC4 Pierre-Louis Bossart

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