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From: Lance Yang <lance.yang@linux.dev>
To: lirongqing <lirongqing@baidu.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: corbet@lwn.net, mhiramat@kernel.org, paulmck@kernel.org,
	pawan.kumar.gupta@linux.intel.com, mingo@kernel.org,
	dave.hansen@linux.intel.com, rostedt@goodmis.org,
	kees@kernel.org, arnd@arndb.de, feng.tang@linux.alibaba.com,
	pauld@redhat.com, joel.granados@kernel.org,
	linux-doc@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH][RFC] hung_task: Support to panic when the maximum number of hung task warnings is reached
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2025 11:59:30 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <9067a88d-f5df-4d6e-b3b3-2e266ebcf3d0@linux.dev> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250922204554.55dd890090b0f56ad10a61f5@linux-foundation.org>



On 2025/9/23 11:45, Andrew Morton wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Sep 2025 11:37:40 +0800 lirongqing <lirongqing@baidu.com> wrote:
> 
>> Currently the hung task detector can either panic immediately or continue
>> operation when hung tasks are detected. However, there are scenarios
>> where we want a more balanced approach:
>>
>> - We don't want the system to panic immediately when a few hung tasks
>>    are detected, as the system may be able to recover
>> - And we also don't want the system to stall indefinitely with multiple
>>    hung tasks
>>
>> This commit introduces a new mode (value 2) for the hung task panic behavior.
>> When set to 2, the system will panic only after the maximum number of hung
>> task warnings (hung_task_warnings) has been reached.
>>
>> This provides a middle ground between immediate panic and potentially
>> infinite stall, allowing for automated vmcore generation after a reasonable
> 
> I assume the same argument applies to the NMI watchdog, to the
> softlockup detector and to the RCU stall detector?
> 
> A general framework to handle all of these might be better.  But why do
> it in kernel at all?  What about a userspace detector which parses
> kernel logs (or new procfs counters) and makes such decisions?

+1. I agree that a userspace detector seems more appropriate for this.

We already have the hung_task_detect_count counter, so a userspace
detector could easily use that to implement custom policies ;)

  reply	other threads:[~2025-09-23  3:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 11+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-09-23  3:37 [PATCH][RFC] hung_task: Support to panic when the maximum number of hung task warnings is reached lirongqing
2025-09-23  3:45 ` Andrew Morton
2025-09-23  3:59   ` Lance Yang [this message]
2025-09-23  5:22     ` [外部邮件] " Li,Rongqing
2025-09-23  5:55       ` Lance Yang
2025-09-23  6:19         ` Li,Rongqing
2025-09-23  4:00   ` [????] " Li,Rongqing
2025-09-23  6:03     ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-09-23  6:16       ` [外部邮件] " Li,Rongqing
2025-09-23  7:01       ` Li,Rongqing
2025-09-23  4:35 ` Randy Dunlap

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