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From: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: /dev/random probs in 2.4test(12-pre3)
Date: 2 Dec 2000 23:16:20 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <90cs04$6td$1@cesium.transmeta.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10012021108350.31306-100000@sphinx.mythic-beasts.com> <Pine.LNX.4.21.0012021955570.11787-100000@server.serve.me.nl>

Followup to:  <Pine.LNX.4.21.0012021955570.11787-100000@server.serve.me.nl>
By author:    Igmar Palsenberg <maillist@chello.nl>
In newsgroup: linux.dev.kernel
>
> > Indeed, you are correct.  Is vpnd broken then, for assuming
> > that it can gather the required randomness in one read?
> 
> Yep. It assumes that if the required randommness numbers aren't met a read
> to /dev/random will block.
> 
> And it's not the only program that assumes this : I also did. 
> 
> /dev/random is called a blocking random device, which more or less implies
> that it will totally block. I suggest we put this somewhere in the kernel
> docs, since lots of people out there assume that it totally blocks.
> 

That's pretty much ALWAYS wrong -- for pipes, sockets, you name it.  A
blocking read() will only block if there is nothing to read at all.

	-hpa
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2000-12-03  7:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2000-12-01 17:33 /dev/random probs in 2.4test(12-pre3) folkert
2000-12-02 11:09 ` Matthew Kirkwood
2000-12-02 18:58   ` Igmar Palsenberg
2000-12-02 18:03     ` Jeff Garzik
2000-12-02 21:32       ` Igmar Palsenberg
2000-12-02 20:42         ` David Ford
2000-12-02 22:00           ` Albert D. Cahalan
2000-12-02 23:18             ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2000-12-02 23:34               ` Alexander Viro
2000-12-03  3:01                 ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2000-12-03 12:20                 ` Andrew Morton
2000-12-03 16:32               ` Igmar Palsenberg
2000-12-03  7:20             ` H. Peter Anvin
2000-12-03  7:41               ` Albert D. Cahalan
2000-12-03 16:25           ` Igmar Palsenberg
2000-12-03 18:52             ` Jeff Garzik
2000-12-03 21:18               ` Igmar Palsenberg
2000-12-03 20:15                 ` David Ford
2000-12-03  7:17         ` H. Peter Anvin
2000-12-19 19:24           ` Kai Henningsen
2000-12-02 21:35       ` Igmar Palsenberg
2000-12-02 20:44         ` David Ford
2000-12-03 16:27           ` Igmar Palsenberg
2000-12-03  7:19         ` H. Peter Anvin
2000-12-03  7:16     ` H. Peter Anvin [this message]
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2000-12-01 17:26 Matthew Kirkwood
2000-12-01 18:18 ` H. Peter Anvin
2000-12-02 12:01   ` Matthew Kirkwood

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