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From: Konstantin Ananyev <konstantin.ananyev@huawei.com>
To: Konstantin Ananyev <konstantin.ananyev@huawei.com>,
	Wathsala Vithanage <wathsala.vithanage@arm.com>,
	Honnappa Nagarahalli <honnappa.nagarahalli@arm.com>
Cc: "dev@dpdk.org" <dev@dpdk.org>,
	Ola Liljedahl <ola.liljedahl@arm.com>,
	Dhruv Tripathi <dhruv.tripathi@arm.com>
Subject: RE: [PATCH 1/1] ring: safe partial ordering for head/tail update
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2025 23:08:07 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <96a93e5a616e47ec8dbf08d97a73745e@huawei.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <a5fae8a9edc947fdbaf4e2519c39f93e@huawei.com>



> 
> 
> > The function __rte_ring_headtail_move_head() assumes that the barrier
> > (fence) between the load of the head and the load-acquire of the
> > opposing tail guarantees the following: if a first thread reads tail
> > and then writes head and a second thread reads the new value of head
> > and then reads tail, then it should observe the same (or a later)
> > value of tail.
> >
> > This assumption is incorrect under the C11 memory model. If the barrier
> > (fence) is intended to establish a total ordering of ring operations,
> > it fails to do so. Instead, the current implementation only enforces a
> > partial ordering, which can lead to unsafe interleavings. In particular,
> > some partial orders can cause underflows in free slot or available
> > element computations, potentially resulting in data corruption.
> 
> Hmm... sounds exactly like the problem from the patch we discussed earlier that
> year:
> https://patchwork.dpdk.org/project/dpdk/patch/20250521111432.207936-4-
> konstantin.ananyev@huawei.com/
> In two words:
> "... thread can see 'latest' 'cons.head' value, with 'previous' value for 'prod.tail' or
> visa-versa.
> In other words: 'cons.head' value depends on 'prod.tail', so before making latest
> 'cons.head'
> value visible to other threads, we need to ensure that latest 'prod.tail' is also visible."
> Is that the one?
> 
> > The issue manifests when a CPU first acts as a producer and later as a
> > consumer. In this scenario, the barrier assumption may fail when another
> > core takes the consumer role. A Herd7 litmus test in C11 can demonstrate
> > this violation. The problem has not been widely observed so far because:
> >   (a) on strong memory models (e.g., x86-64) the assumption holds, and
> >   (b) on relaxed models with RCsc semantics the ordering is still strong
> >       enough to prevent hazards.
> > The problem becomes visible only on weaker models, when load-acquire is
> > implemented with RCpc semantics (e.g. some AArch64 CPUs which support
> > the LDAPR and LDAPUR instructions).
> >
> > Three possible solutions exist:
> >   1. Strengthen ordering by upgrading release/acquire semantics to
> >      sequential consistency. This requires using seq-cst for stores,
> >      loads, and CAS operations. However, this approach introduces a
> >      significant performance penalty on relaxed-memory architectures.
> >
> >   2. Establish a safe partial order by enforcing a pair-wise
> >      happens-before relationship between thread of same role by changing
> >      the CAS and the preceding load of the head by converting them to
> >      release and acquire respectively. This approach makes the original
> >      barrier assumption unnecessary and allows its removal.
> 
> For the sake of clarity, can you outline what would be exact code changes for
> approach #2? Same as in that patch:
> https://patchwork.dpdk.org/project/dpdk/patch/20250521111432.207936-4-
> konstantin.ananyev@huawei.com/
> Or something different?
> 
> >   3. Retain partial ordering but ensure only safe partial orders are
> >      committed. This can be done by detecting underflow conditions
> >      (producer < consumer) and quashing the update in such cases.
> >      This approach makes the original barrier assumption unnecessary
> >      and allows its removal.
> 
> > This patch implements solution (3) for performance reasons.
> >
> > Signed-off-by: Wathsala Vithanage <wathsala.vithanage@arm.com>
> > Signed-off-by: Ola Liljedahl <ola.liljedahl@arm.com>
> > Reviewed-by: Honnappa Nagarahalli <honnappa.nagarahalli@arm.com>
> > Reviewed-by: Dhruv Tripathi <dhruv.tripathi@arm.com>
> > ---
> >  lib/ring/rte_ring_c11_pvt.h | 10 +++++++---
> >  1 file changed, 7 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-)
> >
> > diff --git a/lib/ring/rte_ring_c11_pvt.h b/lib/ring/rte_ring_c11_pvt.h
> > index b9388af0da..e5ac1f6b9e 100644
> > --- a/lib/ring/rte_ring_c11_pvt.h
> > +++ b/lib/ring/rte_ring_c11_pvt.h
> > @@ -83,9 +83,6 @@ __rte_ring_headtail_move_head(struct rte_ring_headtail
> > *d,
> >  		/* Reset n to the initial burst count */
> >  		n = max;
> >
> > -		/* Ensure the head is read before tail */
> > -		rte_atomic_thread_fence(rte_memory_order_acquire);
> > -
> >  		/* load-acquire synchronize with store-release of ht->tail
> >  		 * in update_tail.
> >  		 */
> 
> But then cons.head can be read a before prod.tail (and visa-versa), right?
s/before/after/
 
> 
> > @@ -99,6 +96,13 @@ __rte_ring_headtail_move_head(struct rte_ring_headtail
> > *d,
> >  		 */
> >  		*entries = (capacity + stail - *old_head);
> >
> > +		/*
> > +		 * Ensure the entries calculation was not based on a stale
> > +		 * and unsafe stail observation that causes underflow.
> > +		 */
> > +		if ((int)*entries < 0)
> > +			*entries = 0;
> > +
> >  		/* check that we have enough room in ring */
> >  		if (unlikely(n > *entries))
> >  			n = (behavior == RTE_RING_QUEUE_FIXED) ?
> > --
> > 2.43.0
> >


  reply	other threads:[~2025-09-16 23:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-09-15 18:54 [PATCH 0/1] ring: correct ordering issue in head/tail update Wathsala Vithanage
2025-09-15 18:54 ` [PATCH 1/1] ring: safe partial ordering for " Wathsala Vithanage
2025-09-16 15:42   ` Bruce Richardson
2025-09-16 18:19     ` Ola Liljedahl
2025-09-17  7:47       ` Bruce Richardson
2025-09-17 15:06         ` Stephen Hemminger
2025-09-18 17:40         ` Wathsala Vithanage
2025-09-16 22:57   ` Konstantin Ananyev
2025-09-16 23:08     ` Konstantin Ananyev [this message]
     [not found]     ` <2a611c3cf926d752a54b7655c27d6df874a2d0de.camel@arm.com>
2025-09-17  7:58       ` Konstantin Ananyev
2025-09-17  9:05         ` Ola Liljedahl
2025-09-20 12:01           ` Konstantin Ananyev
     [not found]             ` <cf7e14d4ba5e9d78fddf083b6c92d75942447931.camel@arm.com>
2025-09-22  7:12               ` Konstantin Ananyev
2025-09-23 21:57             ` Ola Liljedahl
2025-09-24  6:56               ` Konstantin Ananyev
2025-09-24  7:50                 ` Konstantin Ananyev
2025-09-24  8:51                   ` Ola Liljedahl
2025-09-24 10:08                     ` Konstantin Ananyev
2025-09-24 11:27                       ` Ola Liljedahl
2025-09-24 11:50                         ` Konstantin Ananyev
2025-09-24 13:28                           ` Ola Liljedahl
2025-09-24 15:03                             ` Konstantin Ananyev
2025-09-25  4:29                               ` Morten Brørup
2025-09-25  7:11                                 ` Konstantin Ananyev
2025-09-24 15:24               ` Stephen Hemminger

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