From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id QAA80062 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 16:59:19 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id QAA40917 for linux-list; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 16:58:34 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from sgibos.boston.sgi.com (sgibos.boston.sgi.com [169.238.33.4] (may be forged)) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id QAA36513 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 16:58:30 -0800 (PST) mail_from (jmichaud@chaos.boston.sgi.com) Received: from chaos.boston.sgi.com by sgibos.boston.sgi.com via ESMTP (950413.SGI.8.6.12/940406.SGI) for <@sgibos.boston.sgi.com:linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com> id TAA00301; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 19:58:29 -0500 Received: (from jmichaud@localhost) by chaos.boston.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) id TAA12134 for linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 19:58:29 -0500 From: jmichaud@chaos.boston.sgi.com (Joseph Michaud) Message-Id: <9812131958.ZM12132@chaos.boston.sgi.com> Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 19:58:29 -0500 In-Reply-To: ariel@oz.engr.sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) "Hard Hat Linux (fwd)" (Dec 13, 2:53am) References: <199812131053.CAA00532@oz.engr.sgi.com> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.3 08feb96 MediaMail) To: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (SGI/Linux mailing list) Subject: Re: Hard Hat Linux (fwd) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Hmm. I don't find any such trademarks on a search at the US Patent Office (http://www.uspto.gov/tmdb/index.html). Ask him what the trademark registration number is, and where it is registered... Joe On Dec 13, 2:53am, Ariel Faigon wrote: > > I'm not sure if I should feel amused or saddened by this > email. I'm not a lawyer, just curious of what would you > be doing in reponse. > > Note that: > The facts this email presents are inaccurate: > > 1) We don't have any "product" on www.linux.sgi.com > just a free source distribution. > 2) His claim is ignoring the fact that "Linux" is > a trademark of Linus Torvalds which may invalidate > any claim to its derivatives by another party. > 3) We use "Hard Hat 5.1" as a humorous way to say > it is somewhat unstable release of Red Hat 5.1 > in a casual way in one title. > 4) We never use the term "Hard Hat Linux". > > I guess the question is whether our very innocent and casual > use of the phrase "Hard Hat" in one web page and without any > product connotation constitutes trademark infringement. > > > Forwarded message: > :From maurice@harddata.com Sat Dec 12 12:23:42 1998 > :Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981212132336.00a0ecb0@209.207.211.2> > :X-Sender: mhilariu@209.207.211.2 > :X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) > :Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 13:23:36 -0700 > :To: adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca > :From: Maurice Hilarius > :Subject: Hard Hat Linux > :Cc: ariel@sgi.com > :Mime-Version: 1.0 > :Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > : > :Good day Gentlemen. > : > :One of our customers pointed us to your webpage: > :http://www.linux.sgi.com/manhattan/ > : > :We wish to inform you that the names "Hard Hat" and "Hard Hat Linux" are > :copyrighted names and registered trademarks of Hard Data Ltd., Of Edmonton, > :Alberta, Canada. > : > :We ask that you please use another name for your project, as we can not > :permit this use of the brand name and trademark "Hard Hat Linux". > :We suspect that this usage was probably not designed to harm our tradmark, > :but we still can not permit it to be used, especially without our express > :permission. > : > :If there are any questions please contact Maurice Hilarius of Hard Data > :Ltd. at the address and/or telphone numbers listed in the signature (below). > : > :Seasons Greetings. > : > :Best regards, > : > : Maurice W. Hilarius Telephone: 01-403-414-9319 > : Hard Data Ltd. **FAX: 01-403-456-1510 > : 11060 - 166 Avenue email:maurice@harddata.com > : Edmonton, AB, Canada - T5X 1Y3 http://www.harddata.com > : > : > > > -- > Peace, Ariel > >-- End of excerpt from Ariel Faigon -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Joseph Michaud Silicon Graphics - Applications Consulting jmichaud@boston.sgi.com x483-2255 (978) 562-4800 From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: From: jmichaud@chaos.boston.sgi.com (Joseph Michaud) Message-ID: <9812131958.ZM12132@chaos.boston.sgi.com> Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 19:58:29 -0500 In-Reply-To: ariel@oz.engr.sgi.com (Ariel Faigon) "Hard Hat Linux (fwd)" (Dec 13, 2:53am) References: <199812131053.CAA00532@oz.engr.sgi.com> Subject: Re: Hard Hat Linux (fwd) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com To: SGI/Linux mailing list Message-ID: <19981214005829.TTmQbgtmMCbBIoj26E4avCvLTmj92I62DbP3BcGkxmc@z> Hmm. I don't find any such trademarks on a search at the US Patent Office (http://www.uspto.gov/tmdb/index.html). Ask him what the trademark registration number is, and where it is registered... Joe On Dec 13, 2:53am, Ariel Faigon wrote: > > I'm not sure if I should feel amused or saddened by this > email. I'm not a lawyer, just curious of what would you > be doing in reponse. > > Note that: > The facts this email presents are inaccurate: > > 1) We don't have any "product" on www.linux.sgi.com > just a free source distribution. > 2) His claim is ignoring the fact that "Linux" is > a trademark of Linus Torvalds which may invalidate > any claim to its derivatives by another party. > 3) We use "Hard Hat 5.1" as a humorous way to say > it is somewhat unstable release of Red Hat 5.1 > in a casual way in one title. > 4) We never use the term "Hard Hat Linux". > > I guess the question is whether our very innocent and casual > use of the phrase "Hard Hat" in one web page and without any > product connotation constitutes trademark infringement. > > > Forwarded message: > :From maurice@harddata.com Sat Dec 12 12:23:42 1998 > :Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981212132336.00a0ecb0@209.207.211.2> > :X-Sender: mhilariu@209.207.211.2 > :X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) > :Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 13:23:36 -0700 > :To: adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca > :From: Maurice Hilarius > :Subject: Hard Hat Linux > :Cc: ariel@sgi.com > :Mime-Version: 1.0 > :Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > : > :Good day Gentlemen. > : > :One of our customers pointed us to your webpage: > :http://www.linux.sgi.com/manhattan/ > : > :We wish to inform you that the names "Hard Hat" and "Hard Hat Linux" are > :copyrighted names and registered trademarks of Hard Data Ltd., Of Edmonton, > :Alberta, Canada. > : > :We ask that you please use another name for your project, as we can not > :permit this use of the brand name and trademark "Hard Hat Linux". > :We suspect that this usage was probably not designed to harm our tradmark, > :but we still can not permit it to be used, especially without our express > :permission. > : > :If there are any questions please contact Maurice Hilarius of Hard Data > :Ltd. at the address and/or telphone numbers listed in the signature (below). > : > :Seasons Greetings. > : > :Best regards, > : > : Maurice W. Hilarius Telephone: 01-403-414-9319 > : Hard Data Ltd. **FAX: 01-403-456-1510 > : 11060 - 166 Avenue email:maurice@harddata.com > : Edmonton, AB, Canada - T5X 1Y3 http://www.harddata.com > : > : > > > -- > Peace, Ariel > >-- End of excerpt from Ariel Faigon -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Joseph Michaud Silicon Graphics - Applications Consulting jmichaud@boston.sgi.com x483-2255 (978) 562-4800