From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id NAA56095 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 13:38:35 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo-owner@localhost) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id NAA94748 for linux-list; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 13:37:56 -0800 (PST) mail_from (owner-linux@relay.engr.sgi.com) Received: from dataserv.columbus.sgi.com (dataserv.columbus.sgi.com [169.238.139.130]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id NAA93151 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 13:37:54 -0800 (PST) mail_from (david@carrera.columbus.sgi.com) Received: from carrera.columbus.sgi.com by dataserv.columbus.sgi.com via ESMTP (951211.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH1502/930416.SGI) id QAA26826; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 16:37:39 -0500 Received: (from david@localhost) by carrera.columbus.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id QAA40336; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 16:29:54 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 16:29:54 -0500 (EST) From: david@carrera.columbus.sgi.com (David Watters) Message-Id: <9901201629.ZM40293@carrera.columbus.sgi.com> In-Reply-To: job bogan "Re: [Fwd: linus.linux.sgi.com]" (Jan 19, 9:01pm) References: <199901200301.VAA14922@piquin.uchicago.edu> X-Mailer: Z-Mail-SGI (3.2S.3 08feb96 MediaMail) To: job bogan , offer@morgaine.engr.sgi.com (Richard Offer) Subject: Re: [Fwd: linus.linux.sgi.com] Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com, ellidz@eridu.uchicago.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Precedence: bulk On Jan 19, 9:01pm, job bogan wrote: > judging by > previous SGI prices, i can buy twice as much 3rd party ram as SGI ram. You will be glad to know that the memory will be available from 3rd parties. > interface, we might look at them. The lack of true multi-user and > non-console interfaces in NT just takes these SGIs off the chart Some of what you need may be bundled. Take a look at the interoperability kit that is bundled which includes a lot of what you mentioned. > And once it's there, i see no reason to buy them unless i can get the > Video Performance out of them. (unless, perhaps, they clean up on raw > cpu due to a cleaned up system bus.) What system bus? The FSB is the same, otherwise the off the shelf CPUs (which I assume you will by 3rd party :) ) won't work. Our memory controller is lower latency than the 440xx and has huge bandwidth from memory to the controller. Both of these (mostly the latency) will show on FP performance when you break cache. > i've never been the world's biggest SGI/Irix fan. Really? :) > But - for my env., and > most of the Academic world, i just don't see these as viable machines > until Linux or Irix runs on them. egh... you may be able to get the > CAD/CAM market back, but i don't see us buying more SGIs soon. The small little CAD/CAM market. :) If we get that back then we will build all the Linux/IRIX boxes you need. Thanks for your perspective though. -- David Watters | Silicon*Graphics Systems Engineer | http://www.sgi.com/ Silicon Graphics, Inc.| http://reality.sgi.com/davester/ (6/13/97) david.watters@sgi.com | 1.800.800.SGI1 (Sales) 1.800.800.4SGI (Support) DID 1.614.844.3820 | http://www.nintendo.com/ (N64, the $130 SGI!) From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 16:29:54 -0500 (EST) From: david@carrera.columbus.sgi.com (David Watters) Message-ID: <9901201629.ZM40293@carrera.columbus.sgi.com> In-Reply-To: job bogan "Re: [Fwd: linus.linux.sgi.com]" (Jan 19, 9:01pm) References: <199901200301.VAA14922@piquin.uchicago.edu> Subject: Re: [Fwd: linus.linux.sgi.com] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com To: job bogan , Richard Offer Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com, ellidz@eridu.uchicago.edu Message-ID: <19990120212954.Ua0H6c4soseuVyrnfN5GBuuErPw-WrFQJ0U5gkcWhyQ@z> On Jan 19, 9:01pm, job bogan wrote: > judging by > previous SGI prices, i can buy twice as much 3rd party ram as SGI ram. You will be glad to know that the memory will be available from 3rd parties. > interface, we might look at them. The lack of true multi-user and > non-console interfaces in NT just takes these SGIs off the chart Some of what you need may be bundled. Take a look at the interoperability kit that is bundled which includes a lot of what you mentioned. > And once it's there, i see no reason to buy them unless i can get the > Video Performance out of them. (unless, perhaps, they clean up on raw > cpu due to a cleaned up system bus.) What system bus? The FSB is the same, otherwise the off the shelf CPUs (which I assume you will by 3rd party :) ) won't work. Our memory controller is lower latency than the 440xx and has huge bandwidth from memory to the controller. Both of these (mostly the latency) will show on FP performance when you break cache. > i've never been the world's biggest SGI/Irix fan. Really? :) > But - for my env., and > most of the Academic world, i just don't see these as viable machines > until Linux or Irix runs on them. egh... you may be able to get the > CAD/CAM market back, but i don't see us buying more SGIs soon. The small little CAD/CAM market. :) If we get that back then we will build all the Linux/IRIX boxes you need. Thanks for your perspective though. -- David Watters | Silicon*Graphics Systems Engineer | http://www.sgi.com/ Silicon Graphics, Inc.| http://reality.sgi.com/davester/ (6/13/97) david.watters@sgi.com | 1.800.800.SGI1 (Sales) 1.800.800.4SGI (Support) DID 1.614.844.3820 | http://www.nintendo.com/ (N64, the $130 SGI!)