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From: torvalds@transmeta.com (Linus Torvalds)
To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Getting FS access events
Date: 15 May 2001 14:02:29 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <9ds5h5$2i6$1@penguin.transmeta.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3B018EF3.F9DF7207@transmeta.com> <Pine.GSO.4.21.0105151621350.21081-100000@weyl.math.psu.edu>

In article <Pine.GSO.4.21.0105151621350.21081-100000@weyl.math.psu.edu>,
Alexander Viro  <viro@math.psu.edu> wrote:
>On Tue, 15 May 2001, H. Peter Anvin wrote:
>
>> Alexander Viro wrote:
>> > >
>> > > None whatsoever.  The one thing that matters is that noone starts making
>> > > the assumption that mapping->host->i_mapping == mapping.
>> > 
>> > One actually shouldn't assume that mapping->host is an inode.
>> > 
>> 
>> What else could it be, since it's a "struct inode *"?  NULL?
>
>struct block_device *, for one thing. We'll have to do that as soon
>as we do block devices in pagecache.

No, Al. It's an inode. It was a major mistake to ever think anything
else.

I see your problem, but it's not a real problem.  What you do for block
devices (or anything like that where you might have _multiple_ inodes
pointing to the same thing, is to just create a "virtual inode", and
have THAT be the one that the mapping is associated with.  Basically
each "struct block_device *" would have an inode associated with it, to
act as a anchor for things like this. 

What is "struct inode", after all? It's just the virtual representation
of a "entity". The inodes associated with /dev/hda are not the inodes
associated with the actual _device_ - they are just on-disk "links" to
the physical device. 

[ Aside: there are good arguments to _not_ embed "struct inode" into
  "struct block_device", but instead do it the other way around - the
  same way we have filesystem-specific inode data inside "struct inode"
  we can easily have device-type specific data there.  And it makes a
  whole lot more sense to attach a mount to an inode than it makes to
  attach a mount to a "struct block_device".

  Done right, we could eventually get rid of "loopback block devices".
  They'd just be inodes that aren't of type "struct block_device", and
  the index to "struct buffer_head" would not be <block_deve *, blknr,
  size>, but <inode *, blknr, size>. See? The added level of indirection
  is one that we actually already _use_, it's just that we have this
  loopback device special case for it..

  In a "perfect" setup you could actually do "mount -t ext2 file /mnt/x"
  without having _any_ loopback setup or anything like that, simply
  because you don't _need_ it. It would be automatic. ]

		Linus

  parent reply	other threads:[~2001-05-15 21:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 75+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <200105140117.f4E1HqN07362@vindaloo.ras.ucalgary.ca>
2001-05-14  1:32 ` Getting FS access events Linus Torvalds
2001-05-14  1:45   ` Larry McVoy
2001-05-14  2:39     ` Richard Gooch
2001-05-14  3:09       ` Rik van Riel
2001-05-14  4:27         ` Richard Gooch
2001-05-15  4:37       ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-05-23 11:37         ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2001-05-14  2:24   ` Richard Gooch
2001-05-14  4:46     ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-14  5:15       ` Richard Gooch
2001-05-14 13:04         ` Daniel Phillips
2001-05-14 18:00           ` Andreas Dilger
2001-05-14 20:16         ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-14 23:19           ` Richard Gooch
2001-05-15  0:42             ` Daniel Phillips
2001-05-15  4:00             ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-15  4:35               ` Larry McVoy
2001-05-15  4:57                 ` David S. Miller
2001-05-15  5:12                   ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-15  9:10                   ` Alan Cox
2001-05-15  9:48                     ` Lars Brinkhoff
2001-05-15  9:54                       ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-15 20:17                         ` Kai Henningsen
2001-05-15 20:58                           ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-15 21:08                             ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-15  4:59                 ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-15 17:01                   ` Pavel Machek
2001-05-15  4:43               ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-15  5:04                 ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-15  6:20                 ` Richard Gooch
2001-05-15  6:28                   ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-15  6:49                     ` Richard Gooch
2001-05-15  6:57                       ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-15 10:33                         ` Daniel Phillips
2001-05-15 10:44                           ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-15 14:42                             ` Daniel Phillips
2001-05-15  7:13                       ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-15  7:56                         ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-05-15  8:06                           ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-15  8:33                             ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-15 10:27                               ` David Woodhouse
2001-05-15 16:00                               ` Chris Mason
2001-05-15 19:26                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-15 20:03                                 ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-15 20:07                                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-15 20:15                                     ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-15 20:17                                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-15 20:22                                         ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-15 20:26                                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-15 20:31                                             ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-15 21:12                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-15 21:22                                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-15 21:02                                           ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2001-05-15 21:53                                             ` Jan Harkes
2001-05-19  5:26                             ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-05-15 10:04                       ` Anton Altaparmakov
2001-05-15 19:28                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-15 22:31                           ` Albert D. Cahalan
2001-05-15 22:35                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-16  1:17                             ` Anton Altaparmakov
2001-05-16  1:30                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-16  8:34                               ` Anton Altaparmakov
2001-05-16 16:27                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-15 16:26                       ` Pavel Machek
2001-05-15 18:02                       ` Craig Milo Rogers
2001-05-15 16:17                 ` Pavel Machek
2001-05-19 19:39                   ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-19 19:44                     ` Pavel Machek
2001-05-19 19:47                       ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-23 11:29                         ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2001-05-20  4:30                     ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-05-20 19:47                       ` Alan Cox
2001-05-18  7:55                 ` Rogier Wolff
2001-05-23 11:36                   ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2001-05-15  6:13               ` Richard Gooch

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