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From: "Benno Lossin" <lossin@kernel.org>
To: "Christian Schrefl" <chrisi.schrefl@gmail.com>,
	Sky <sky@sky9.dev>, "Miguel Ojeda" <ojeda@kernel.org>,
	"Alex Gaynor" <alex.gaynor@gmail.com>,
	"Boqun Feng" <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
	"Gary Guo" <gary@garyguo.net>,
	"Björn Roy Baron" <bjorn3_gh@protonmail.com>,
	"Benno Lossin" <benno.lossin@proton.me>,
	"Andreas Hindborg" <a.hindborg@kernel.org>,
	"Alice Ryhl" <aliceryhl@google.com>,
	"Trevor Gross" <tmgross@umich.edu>,
	"Danilo Krummrich" <dakr@kernel.org>,
	"Gerald Wisböck" <gerald.wisboeck@feather.ink>
Cc: <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, <rust-for-linux@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 1/3] rust: add UnsafePinned type
Date: Fri, 02 May 2025 00:51:40 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <D9L6XO6T7JEU.CK47C5BOQ0NG@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <7bc9f839-a69a-4819-ba6d-36eadd8776b3@gmail.com>

On Thu May 1, 2025 at 9:11 PM CEST, Christian Schrefl wrote:
> On 01.05.25 8:51 PM, Benno Lossin wrote:
>> On Wed Apr 30, 2025 at 7:30 PM CEST, Christian Schrefl wrote:
>>> On 30.04.25 11:45 AM, Benno Lossin wrote:
>>>> On Wed Apr 30, 2025 at 10:36 AM CEST, Christian Schrefl wrote:
>>>>> +/// This implementation works because of the "`!Unpin` hack" in rustc, which allows (some kinds of)
>>>>> +/// mutual aliasing of `!Unpin` types. This hack might be removed at some point, after which only
>>>>> +/// the `core::pin::UnsafePinned` type will allow this behavior. In order to simplify the migration
>>>>> +/// to future rust versions only this polyfill of this type should be used when this behavior is
>>>>> +/// required.
>>>>> +///
>>>>> +/// In order to disable niche optimizations this implementation uses [`UnsafeCell`] internally,
>>>>> +/// the upstream version however will not. So the fact that [`UnsafePinned`] contains an
>>>>> +/// [`UnsafeCell`] must not be relied on (Other than the niche blocking).
>>>>
>>>> I would make this last paragraph a normal comment, I don't think we
>>>> should expose it in the docs.
>>>
>>> I added this as docs since I wanted it to be a bit more visible,
>>> but I can replace the comment text (about `UnsafeCell`) with this paragraph
>>> and drop it from the docs if you want.
>> 
>> I think we shouldn't talk about these implementation details in the
>> docs.
>
> Alright, what do you think of:
>
> // As opposed to the upstream Rust type this contains a `PhantomPinned`` and `UnsafeCell<T>`

There are two '`' after PhantomPinned.

> // - `PhantomPinned` to avoid needing a `impl<T> !Unpin for UnsafePinned<T>`

s/ a / an /

I find the phrasing 'avoid needing <negative impl>' a bit weird, I'd
just say "`PhantomPinned` to ensure the struct always is `!Unpin` and
thus enables the `!Unpin` hack".

If you have a link to somewhere that explains that hack, then I'd also
put it there. I forgot if it's written down somewhere.

> //   Required to use the `!Unpin hack`.
> // - In order to disable niche optimizations this implementation uses `UnsafeCell` internally,
> //   the upstream version however currently does not. This will most likely change in the future
> //   but for now we don't expose this in the documentation, since adding the guarantee is simpler
> //   than removing it. Meaning that for now the fact that `UnsafePinned` contains an `UnsafeCell`
> //   must not be relied on (Other than the niche blocking).

---
Cheers,
Benno

  reply	other threads:[~2025-05-01 22:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-04-30  8:36 [PATCH v2 0/3] rust: add `UnsafePinned` type Christian Schrefl
2025-04-30  8:36 ` [PATCH v2 1/3] rust: add UnsafePinned type Christian Schrefl
2025-04-30  9:16   ` Alice Ryhl
2025-04-30  9:19   ` Alice Ryhl
2025-04-30 16:45     ` Christian Schrefl
2025-04-30  9:45   ` Benno Lossin
2025-04-30 17:30     ` Christian Schrefl
2025-05-01 18:51       ` Benno Lossin
2025-05-01 19:11         ` Christian Schrefl
2025-05-01 22:51           ` Benno Lossin [this message]
2025-05-02  0:08             ` Christian Schrefl
2025-05-02  8:35               ` Alice Ryhl
2025-05-02  9:00               ` Ralf Jung
2025-05-01 17:12   ` Christian Schrefl
2025-05-01 18:55     ` Benno Lossin
2025-05-02  8:57       ` Ralf Jung
2025-04-30  8:36 ` [PATCH v2 2/3] rust: implement `Wrapper<T>` for `Opaque<T>` Christian Schrefl
2025-04-30  9:20   ` Alice Ryhl
2025-04-30  9:32   ` Benno Lossin
2025-04-30  8:36 ` [PATCH v2 3/3] rust: use `UnsafePinned` in the implementation of `Opaque` Christian Schrefl
2025-04-30  9:18   ` Alice Ryhl
2025-04-30  9:35   ` Benno Lossin
2025-04-30 16:44   ` Boqun Feng
2025-04-30 17:07     ` Christian Schrefl
2025-04-30  9:46 ` [PATCH v2 0/3] rust: add `UnsafePinned` type Benno Lossin
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2025-01-31 15:08 [PATCH v2 0/3] rust: miscdevice: Add additional data to MiscDeviceRegistration Christian Schrefl
2025-01-31 15:08 ` [PATCH v2 1/3] rust: add UnsafePinned type Christian Schrefl
2025-03-26 20:26   ` Benno Lossin

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