From: "Benno Lossin" <lossin@kernel.org>
To: "Boqun Feng" <boqun.feng@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 2/9] rust: sync: Add basic atomic operation mapping framework
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2025 17:46:56 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <DB8HQLY48DFX.3PBBUTQLV14PC@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aG_Yah5FFHcA3IZy@Mac.home>
On Thu Jul 10, 2025 at 5:12 PM CEST, Boqun Feng wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 10, 2025 at 01:04:38PM +0200, Benno Lossin wrote:
>> On Thu Jul 10, 2025 at 8:00 AM CEST, Boqun Feng wrote:
>> > +declare_and_impl_atomic_methods!(
>> > + AtomicHasBasicOps ("Basic atomic operations") {
>> > + read[acquire](ptr: *mut Self) -> Self {
>> > + call(ptr.cast())
>> > + }
>> > +
>> > + set[release](ptr: *mut Self, v: Self) {
>> > + call(ptr.cast(), v)
>> > + }
>> > + }
>>
>> I think this would look a bit better:
>>
>> /// Basic atomic operations.
>> pub trait AtomicHasBasicOps {
>> unsafe fn read[acquire](ptr: *mut Self) -> Self {
>> bindings::#call(ptr.cast())
>> }
>>
>> unsafe fn set[release](ptr: *mut Self, v: Self) {
>> bindings::#call(ptr.cast(), v)
>> }
>> }
>>
>
> Make sense, I've made `pub trait`, `bindings::#` and `unsafe fn`
> hard-coded:
>
> macro_rules! declare_and_impl_atomic_methods {
> (#[doc = $doc:expr] pub trait $ops:ident {
You should allow any kind of attribute (and multiple), that makes it
much simpler.
> $(
> unsafe fn $func:ident [$($variant:ident),*]($($arg_sig:tt)*) $( -> $ret:ty)? {
> bindings::#call($($arg:tt)*)
> }
> )*
> }) => {
>
> It shouldn't be very hard to make use of the actual visibility or
> unsafe, but we currently don't have other visibility or safe function,
> so it's simple to keep it as it is.
Yeah I also meant hardcoding them.
>> And then we could also put the safety comments inline:
>>
>> /// Basic atomic operations.
>> pub trait AtomicHasBasicOps {
>> /// Atomic read
>> ///
>> /// # Safety
>> /// - Any pointer passed to the function has to be a valid pointer
>> /// - Accesses must not cause data races per LKMM:
>> /// - Atomic read racing with normal read, normal write or atomic write is not a data race.
>> /// - Atomic write racing with normal read or normal write is a data race, unless the
>> /// normal access is done from the C side and considered immune to data races, e.g.
>> /// `CONFIG_KCSAN_ASSUME_PLAIN_WRITES_ATOMIC`.
>> unsafe fn read[acquire](ptr: *mut Self) -> Self {
>> // SAFETY: Per function safety requirement, all pointers are valid, and accesses won't
>> // cause data race per LKMM.
>> unsafe { bindings::#call(ptr.cast()) }
>> }
>>
>> /// Atomic read
>
> Copy-pasta ;-)
>
>> ///
>> /// # Safety
>> /// - Any pointer passed to the function has to be a valid pointer
>> /// - Accesses must not cause data races per LKMM:
>> /// - Atomic read racing with normal read, normal write or atomic write is not a data race.
>> /// - Atomic write racing with normal read or normal write is a data race, unless the
>> /// normal access is done from the C side and considered immune to data races, e.g.
>> /// `CONFIG_KCSAN_ASSUME_PLAIN_WRITES_ATOMIC`.
>> unsafe fn set[release](ptr: *mut Self, v: Self) {
>> // SAFETY: Per function safety requirement, all pointers are valid, and accesses won't
>> // cause data race per LKMM.
>> unsafe { bindings::#call(ptr.cast(), v) }
>> }
>> }
>>
>> I'm not sure if this is worth it, but for reading the definitions of
>> these operations directly in the code this is going to be a lot more
>> readable. I don't think it's too bad to duplicate it.
>>
>> I'm also not fully satisfied with the safety comment on
>> `bindings::#call`...
>>
>
> Based on the above, I'm not going to do the change (i.e. duplicating
> the safe comments and improve them), and I would make an issue tracking
> it, and we can revisit it when we have time. Sounds good?
Sure, I feel like some kind of method duplication macro might be much
better here, like:
multi_functions! {
pub trait AtomicHasBasicOps {
/// Atomic read
///
/// # Safety
/// - Any pointer passed to the function has to be a valid pointer
/// - Accesses must not cause data races per LKMM:
/// - Atomic read racing with normal read, normal write or atomic write is not a data race.
/// - Atomic write racing with normal read or normal write is a data race, unless the
/// normal access is done from the C side and considered immune to data races, e.g.
/// `CONFIG_KCSAN_ASSUME_PLAIN_WRITES_ATOMIC`.
unsafe fn [<read, read_acquire>](ptr: *mut Self) -> Self;
// ...
}
}
And then also allow it on impls. I don't really like the idea of
duplicating and thus hiding the safety docs... But I also see that just
copy pasting them everywhere isn't really a good solution either...
---
Cheers,
Benno
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-07-10 15:47 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 65+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-07-10 6:00 [PATCH v6 0/9] LKMM generic atomics in Rust Boqun Feng
2025-07-10 6:00 ` [PATCH v6 1/9] rust: Introduce atomic API helpers Boqun Feng
2025-07-10 6:00 ` [PATCH v6 2/9] rust: sync: Add basic atomic operation mapping framework Boqun Feng
2025-07-10 11:04 ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-10 15:12 ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-10 15:46 ` Benno Lossin [this message]
2025-07-10 16:16 ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-10 19:21 ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-10 20:29 ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-11 8:15 ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-10 6:00 ` [PATCH v6 3/9] rust: sync: atomic: Add ordering annotation types Boqun Feng
2025-07-10 11:08 ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-10 12:00 ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-07-10 14:42 ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-10 15:05 ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-10 15:57 ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-10 19:19 ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-10 18:32 ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-07-10 19:06 ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-07-10 6:00 ` [PATCH v6 4/9] rust: sync: atomic: Add generic atomics Boqun Feng
2025-07-11 8:03 ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-11 13:22 ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-11 13:34 ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-11 13:51 ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-11 18:34 ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-11 21:25 ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-11 13:58 ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-11 18:35 ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-14 7:08 ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-13 19:51 ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-10 6:00 ` [PATCH v6 5/9] rust: sync: atomic: Add atomic {cmp,}xchg operations Boqun Feng
2025-07-11 8:42 ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-10 6:00 ` [PATCH v6 6/9] rust: sync: atomic: Add the framework of arithmetic operations Boqun Feng
2025-07-11 8:53 ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-11 14:39 ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-11 17:41 ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-11 19:07 ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-11 18:55 ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-11 19:51 ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-11 21:03 ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-11 21:22 ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-14 4:20 ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-10 6:00 ` [PATCH v6 7/9] rust: sync: atomic: Add Atomic<u{32,64}> Boqun Feng
2025-07-11 8:54 ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-10 6:00 ` [PATCH v6 8/9] rust: sync: Add memory barriers Boqun Feng
2025-07-11 8:57 ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-11 13:32 ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-11 18:57 ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-11 19:26 ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-11 21:04 ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-11 21:34 ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-11 18:20 ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-14 15:42 ` Ralf Jung
2025-07-15 15:21 ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-15 15:35 ` Ralf Jung
2025-07-15 15:56 ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-16 19:42 ` Ralf Jung
2025-07-10 6:00 ` [PATCH v6 9/9] rust: sync: atomic: Add Atomic<{usize,isize}> Boqun Feng
2025-07-11 9:00 ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-11 13:45 ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-07-11 14:07 ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-11 14:40 ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-07-11 15:46 ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-11 18:35 ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-07-11 19:05 ` Benno Lossin
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