From: "Benno Lossin" <lossin@kernel.org>
To: "Boqun Feng" <boqun.feng@gmail.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, rust-for-linux@vger.kernel.org,
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"Miguel Ojeda" <ojeda@kernel.org>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 6/9] rust: sync: atomic: Add the framework of arithmetic operations
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2025 21:07:57 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <DB9GN29XXLPS.3L31JLBDSSDXS@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aHFMwB-aL7Lj_twN@tardis-2.local>
On Fri Jul 11, 2025 at 7:41 PM CEST, Boqun Feng wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 11, 2025 at 07:39:15AM -0700, Boqun Feng wrote:
> [...]
>> > > ---
>> > > rust/kernel/sync/atomic.rs | 18 +++++
>> > > rust/kernel/sync/atomic/generic.rs | 108 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>> > > 2 files changed, 126 insertions(+)
>> >
>> > I think it's better to name this trait `AtomicAdd` and make it generic:
>> >
>> > pub unsafe trait AtomicAdd<Rhs = Self>: AllowAtomic {
>> > fn rhs_into_repr(rhs: Rhs) -> Self::Repr;
>> > }
>> >
>> > `sub` and `fetch_sub` can be added using a similar trait.
>> >
>>
>> Seems a good idea, I will see what I can do. Thanks!
>>
>> > The generic allows you to implement it multiple times with different
>> > meanings, for example:
>> >
>> > pub struct Nanos(u64);
>> > pub struct Micros(u64);
>> > pub struct Millis(u64);
>> >
>> > impl AllowAtomic for Nanos {
>> > type Repr = i64;
>> > }
>> >
>> > impl AtomicAdd<Millis> for Nanos {
>> > fn rhs_into_repr(rhs: Millis) -> i64 {
>> > transmute(rhs.0 * 1000_000)
>>
>> We probably want to use `as` in real code?
>>
>> > }
>> > }
>> >
>> > impl AtomicAdd<Micros> for Nanos {
>> > fn rhs_into_repr(rhs: Micros) -> i64 {
>> > transmute(rhs.0 * 1000)
>> > }
>> > }
>> >
>> > impl AtomicAdd<Nanos> for Nanos {
>> > fn rhs_into_repr(rhs: Nanos) -> i64 {
>> > transmute(rhs.0)
>> > }
>> > }
>> >
>> > For the safety requirement on the `AtomicAdd` trait, we might just
>> > require bi-directional transmutability... Or can you imagine a case
>> > where that is not guaranteed, but a weaker form is?
>>
>> I have a case that I don't think it's that useful, but it's similar to
>> the `Micros` and `Millis` above, an `Even<T>` where `Even<i32>` is a
>
> Oh I mis-read, it's not similar to `Micros` or `Millis`, but still,
> `Even<i32>` itself should have the point.
>
>> `i32` but it's always an even number ;-) So transmute<i32, Even<i32>>()
>> is not always sound. Maybe we could add a "TODO" in the safety section
>> of `AtomicAdd`, and revisit this later? Like:
>>
>> /// (in # Safety)
>> /// TODO: The safety requirement may be tightened to bi-directional
>> /// transmutability.
>>
>> And maybe also add the `Even` example there?
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>
> Or since we are going to use fine-grained traits, it's actually easy to
> define the safety requirement of `AtomicAdd` (instead of
> `AllowAtomicArithmetic) now:
>
> /// # Safety
> ///
> /// For a `T: AtomicAdd<Rhs>`, the addition result of a valid bit
> /// pattern of `T` and a `T::Repr` convert from `rhs_into_repr()` should
> /// be a valid bit pattern of `T`.
Let's combine our two safety requirement ideas (I forgot about my Rhs
change).
---
Cheers,
Benno
> pub unsafe trait AtomicAdd<Rhs = Self>: AllowAtomic {
> fn rhs_into_repr(rhs: Rhs) -> Self::Repr;
> }
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Regards,
> Boqun
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-07-11 19:08 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 65+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-07-10 6:00 [PATCH v6 0/9] LKMM generic atomics in Rust Boqun Feng
2025-07-10 6:00 ` [PATCH v6 1/9] rust: Introduce atomic API helpers Boqun Feng
2025-07-10 6:00 ` [PATCH v6 2/9] rust: sync: Add basic atomic operation mapping framework Boqun Feng
2025-07-10 11:04 ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-10 15:12 ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-10 15:46 ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-10 16:16 ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-10 19:21 ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-10 20:29 ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-11 8:15 ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-10 6:00 ` [PATCH v6 3/9] rust: sync: atomic: Add ordering annotation types Boqun Feng
2025-07-10 11:08 ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-10 12:00 ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-07-10 14:42 ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-10 15:05 ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-10 15:57 ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-10 19:19 ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-10 18:32 ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-07-10 19:06 ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-07-10 6:00 ` [PATCH v6 4/9] rust: sync: atomic: Add generic atomics Boqun Feng
2025-07-11 8:03 ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-11 13:22 ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-11 13:34 ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-11 13:51 ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-11 18:34 ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-11 21:25 ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-11 13:58 ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-11 18:35 ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-14 7:08 ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-13 19:51 ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-10 6:00 ` [PATCH v6 5/9] rust: sync: atomic: Add atomic {cmp,}xchg operations Boqun Feng
2025-07-11 8:42 ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-10 6:00 ` [PATCH v6 6/9] rust: sync: atomic: Add the framework of arithmetic operations Boqun Feng
2025-07-11 8:53 ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-11 14:39 ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-11 17:41 ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-11 19:07 ` Benno Lossin [this message]
2025-07-11 18:55 ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-11 19:51 ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-11 21:03 ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-11 21:22 ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-14 4:20 ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-10 6:00 ` [PATCH v6 7/9] rust: sync: atomic: Add Atomic<u{32,64}> Boqun Feng
2025-07-11 8:54 ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-10 6:00 ` [PATCH v6 8/9] rust: sync: Add memory barriers Boqun Feng
2025-07-11 8:57 ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-11 13:32 ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-11 18:57 ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-11 19:26 ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-11 21:04 ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-11 21:34 ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-11 18:20 ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-14 15:42 ` Ralf Jung
2025-07-15 15:21 ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-15 15:35 ` Ralf Jung
2025-07-15 15:56 ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-16 19:42 ` Ralf Jung
2025-07-10 6:00 ` [PATCH v6 9/9] rust: sync: atomic: Add Atomic<{usize,isize}> Boqun Feng
2025-07-11 9:00 ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-11 13:45 ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-07-11 14:07 ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-11 14:40 ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-07-11 15:46 ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-11 18:35 ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-07-11 19:05 ` Benno Lossin
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