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From: Daniel Phillips <phillips@arcor.de>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>,
	Jamie Lokier <lk@tantalophile.demon.co.uk>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@zip.com.au>, lkml <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [patch 6/12] hold atomic kmaps across generic_file_read
Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 10:00:06 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <E17dndv-0001ei-00@starship> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0208101529490.2401-100000@home.transmeta.com>

On Sunday 11 August 2002 00:42, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> For example, what do you do when somebody has a COW-page mapped into it's
> VM space and you want to start paging stuff out?

Clearly it requires a CoW break and swapping out that page won't free any 
memory directly, but it will in turn allow the cache page to be dropped.  I 
suppose your point is that these ideas touch the system in a lot of places, 
and right now the code is a little too irregular to withstand lathering on a 
new layer of cruft.  That's true, but <plug>the reverse mapping work 
enables some fundamental VM simplifications that make a lot of things more 
local, and so a better base for these new, sophisticated features is on its 
way.</plug>

> There are "interesting"
> cases that just may mean that doing the COW thing is a really stupid thing
> to do, even if it is intriguing to _think_ about it.

It is good sport, but the real benefits are compelling and will only get more 
so.  For high end scientific uses (read supercomputing clusters) it's a cinch 
developers will prefer high speed file operations that turn in nearly the 
same raw performance on large transfers as O_DIRECT while not bypassing the 
file cache.

-- 
Daniel

  parent reply	other threads:[~2002-08-11  7:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-08-10  0:57 [patch 6/12] hold atomic kmaps across generic_file_read Andrew Morton
2002-08-10  1:33 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-08-10  3:53   ` Andrew Morton
2002-08-10  3:53     ` Linus Torvalds
2002-08-10  6:12       ` Andrew Morton
2002-08-10  7:25         ` Linus Torvalds
2002-08-10  9:08           ` Andrew Morton
2002-08-10 12:44           ` Daniel Phillips
2002-08-10 17:01             ` Linus Torvalds
2002-08-10 18:16               ` Daniel Phillips
2002-08-10 18:32                 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-08-10 18:46                   ` Daniel Phillips
2002-08-10 14:16           ` Rik van Riel
2002-08-10 17:03             ` Linus Torvalds
2002-08-10 17:36           ` Jamie Lokier
2002-08-10 17:46             ` Linus Torvalds
2002-08-10 17:55               ` Jamie Lokier
2002-08-10 18:42                 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-08-10 18:52                   ` Jeff Garzik
2002-08-10 19:01                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-08-10 19:04                       ` Jeff Garzik
2002-08-12 15:20                       ` Ingo Oeser
2002-08-12  0:18                     ` Albert D. Cahalan
2002-08-12 14:11                       ` Jeff Garzik
2002-08-12 14:46                         ` David Woodhouse
2002-08-10 19:10                   ` Jamie Lokier
2002-08-10 22:42                     ` Linus Torvalds
2002-08-11  3:17                       ` Simon Kirby
2002-08-11  6:07                         ` Andrew Morton
2002-08-11  8:46                           ` Simon Kirby
2002-08-11  9:36                             ` Andrew Morton
2002-08-11  9:49                               ` Andrew Morton
2002-08-11 10:28                             ` Andrew Morton
2002-08-11 18:52                         ` Linus Torvalds
2002-08-12  3:28                           ` Andrew Morton
2002-08-12  3:27                             ` Linus Torvalds
2002-08-12  4:08                               ` Andrew Morton
2002-08-12  6:20                             ` Simon Kirby
2002-08-12  6:44                               ` Andrew Morton
2002-08-12 19:43                                 ` Trond Myklebust
2002-08-12 20:43                                   ` Andrew Morton
2002-08-11  8:00                       ` Daniel Phillips [this message]
2002-08-11 19:00                         ` Linus Torvalds
2002-08-11 19:43                           ` Daniel Phillips
2002-08-11  0:34   ` Andrew Morton
2002-08-11  0:56     ` Linus Torvalds
2002-08-11  1:27       ` Andrew Morton
2002-08-12  7:45   ` Rusty Russell
2002-08-12  9:45     ` Daniel Phillips
2002-08-12 20:29       ` Linus Torvalds
2002-08-12 21:21         ` Daniel Phillips
2002-08-12 17:30     ` Linus Torvalds

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