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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Johannes Schindelin <Johannes.Schindelin@gmx.de>
Cc: barkalow@iabervon.org, raa.lkml@gmail.com, ae@op5.se,
	tsuna@lrde.epita.fr, git@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Switching from CVS to GIT
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 09:16:12 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <E1IhmHM-0002hB-HR@fencepost.gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0710161335260.25221@racer.site> (message from Johannes Schindelin on Tue, 16 Oct 2007 13:39:12 +0100 (BST))

> Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 13:39:12 +0100 (BST)
> From: Johannes Schindelin <Johannes.Schindelin@gmx.de>
> cc: Daniel Barkalow <barkalow@iabervon.org>, raa.lkml@gmail.com, ae@op5.se, 
>     tsuna@lrde.epita.fr, git@vger.kernel.org
> 
> > As I wrote in my other message, using native APIs improves performance 
> > by at least a factor of two.
> 
> Somehow this does not appeal to my "portability is good" side.  You know, 
> if we had to do such trickeries for every platform we support, we'd soon 
> be as big as Subversion *cough*.

You have to decide whether you care about performance enough to do
that or not.  If you do, then introducing file I/O abstractions at
higher level than the normal ``use-library-functions'' method is not
such a hard problem, and doesn't make the binary larger because each
platform gets only its own backend.  In practice, I have found that in
most cases a few well-designed and strategically placed macros is all
you need.

> For me, this is the most annoying part about programming Win32.  They went 
> out of their way to make it incompatible with everything else, and as a 
> consequence it is a PITA to maintain crossplatform programs.

Portability is a two-way street.  A program that wasn't designed to be
portable will by definition be hard to port.  To me, what's annoying
is a program that was designed around a single-OS model of APIs.

Cross-platform programs are not that hard if you design them to be
like that from the ground up.  I'm working for a firm that does that
for a living: we develop software that compiles and runs on Windows
and Linux from the same source.

> Explorer often accesses files it should not lock.  
> On the machine I test msysGit on, this is the most common reason for a 
> test case to fail: it cannot delete the temporary directory, which 
> _should_ be unused.  Indeed, a second after that, it _is_ unused.

One more reason not to launch Explorer, if you ask me ;-)  But maybe
you have valid reasons to do that.  All I can say is that I never saw
such problems, but then I don't usually run programs that rewrite
files in a frenzy.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-10-16 13:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 120+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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     [not found] ` <uy7e6keyv.fsf@gnu.org>
     [not found]   ` <1192381040.4908.57.camel@homebase.localnet>
2007-10-14 17:10     ` Switching from CVS to GIT Benoit SIGOURE
2007-10-14 18:06       ` Marco Costalba
2007-10-14 18:20       ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-10-15  5:35         ` Martin Langhoff
2007-10-14 18:27       ` Andreas Ericsson
2007-10-14 18:39         ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-10-14 19:09           ` Andreas Ericsson
2007-10-14 20:14             ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-10-14 22:14               ` Alex Riesen
2007-10-14 22:41                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-10-14 23:45                   ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-10-15  0:36                     ` Brian Dessent
2007-10-15  1:22                       ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-10-15  1:24                         ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-10-15  6:04                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-10-15  7:56                             ` Steffen Prohaska
2007-10-15  8:20                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-10-15  8:47                                 ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-10-15 11:09                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-10-15 12:31                                     ` Johannes Sixt
2007-10-15 12:37                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-10-15 18:29                                         ` Paul Smith
2007-10-15  9:23                                 ` Steffen Prohaska
2007-10-15 11:06                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-10-15  4:12                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-10-15  8:34                           ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-10-15  9:02                             ` Benoit SIGOURE
2007-10-15 17:56                         ` Alex Riesen
2007-10-15 18:37                           ` Brian Dessent
2007-10-15 18:44                             ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-10-15 19:07                               ` Brian Dessent
2007-10-15 19:27                                 ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-10-15 20:24                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-15 20:36                                     ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-10-15 19:42                                 ` Alex Riesen
2007-10-15 19:48                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-10-15 19:58                                     ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-10-15 21:06                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-10-15 20:05                                   ` Brian Dessent
2007-10-15 20:19                                     ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-10-15 20:43                                       ` Steffen Prohaska
2007-10-15 20:46                                         ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-10-16  2:24                                         ` Nguyen Thai Ngoc Duy
2007-10-16  4:16                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-10-16 10:09                                             ` Nguyen Thai Ngoc Duy
2007-10-16 12:18                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-10-16  6:17                                           ` Steffen Prohaska
2007-10-15 21:08                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-10-15 20:05                               ` Mark Watts
2007-10-15  4:06                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-10-15  5:56                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-10-15  8:44                       ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-10-15  8:56                         ` David Kastrup
2007-10-15  8:57                         ` David Kastrup
2007-10-15 17:49                         ` Alex Riesen
2007-10-15 18:25                           ` Dave Korn
2007-10-15 18:34                             ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-10-15 19:34                             ` Alex Riesen
2007-10-15 17:53                     ` Alex Riesen
2007-10-14 23:55                   ` Andreas Ericsson
2007-10-16  0:45                   ` Daniel Barkalow
2007-10-16  4:30                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-10-16  5:14                       ` Andreas Ericsson
2007-10-16  6:25                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-10-16  7:07                           ` Daniel Barkalow
2007-10-16 12:29                           ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-10-16 12:38                             ` Peter Karlsson
2007-10-16 13:04                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-10-16 12:53                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-10-16 12:59                               ` David Kastrup
2007-10-16 13:15                               ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-10-16 15:47                           ` Dave Korn
2007-10-16 15:56                           ` David Brown
2007-10-16 16:04                             ` Nicolas Pitre
2007-10-16 16:23                             ` Dave Korn
2007-10-16 18:06                               ` Christopher Faylor
2007-10-16 16:59                           ` Andreas Ericsson
2007-10-16  7:14                         ` Steffen Prohaska
2007-10-16 12:33                           ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-10-16 13:16                             ` Steffen Prohaska
2007-10-16 13:21                               ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-10-16 13:50                                 ` Steffen Prohaska
2007-10-16 14:14                                   ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-10-16 14:36                                     ` Steffen Prohaska
2007-10-16 15:12                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-10-17 19:33                               ` Robin Rosenberg
2007-10-16  5:56                       ` Daniel Barkalow
2007-10-16  7:03                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-10-16 12:39                           ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-10-16 12:47                             ` David Kastrup
2007-10-16 13:16                             ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2007-10-16 13:24                               ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-10-16 15:02                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-10-16 15:18                                   ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-10-16 15:43                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-10-16 17:04                             ` Daniel Barkalow
2007-10-16  6:06                       ` David Kastrup
2007-10-16  6:42                       ` Johannes Sixt
2007-10-16  7:17                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-10-14 22:59                 ` Dave Korn
2007-10-15  0:01                   ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-10-15 17:36                     ` Alex Riesen
2007-10-15  0:03                   ` David Brown
2007-10-15  6:08                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-10-15 10:16                       ` Andreas Ericsson
2007-10-15 10:38                         ` Johannes Sixt
2007-10-15 10:52                           ` Andreas Ericsson
2007-10-15 11:16                           ` Dave Korn
2007-10-15  0:46                 ` Michael Gebetsroither
2007-10-15 17:38                   ` Alex Riesen
2007-10-15 19:26                     ` David Kastrup
2007-10-15 19:30                       ` Alex Riesen
2007-10-16 11:13                 ` Peter Karlsson
2007-10-15  5:43             ` Martin Langhoff
2007-10-15  6:39       ` Johannes Sixt
2007-10-15 23:12         ` Shawn O. Pearce
2007-10-16  6:10           ` Johannes Sixt
2007-10-16  6:21             ` Shawn O. Pearce
2007-10-16  6:29               ` Johannes Sixt
2007-10-16 15:16             ` Johannes Schindelin

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