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From: Josh Triplett <josh@joshtriplett.org>
To: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@kernel.org>
Cc: Arjan van de Ven <arjan@linux.intel.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Usama Arif <usama.arif@bytedance.com>,
	dwmw2@infradead.org, kim.phillips@amd.com, brgerst@gmail.com,
	piotrgorski@cachyos.org, oleksandr@natalenko.name,
	mingo@redhat.com, bp@alien8.de, dave.hansen@linux.intel.com,
	hpa@zytor.com, x86@kernel.org, pbonzini@redhat.com,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org,
	rcu@vger.kernel.org, mimoja@mimoja.de, hewenliang4@huawei.com,
	thomas.lendacky@amd.com, seanjc@google.com,
	pmenzel@molgen.mpg.de, fam.zheng@bytedance.com,
	punit.agrawal@bytedance.com, simon.evans@bytedance.com,
	liangma@liangbit.com, David Woodhouse <dwmw@amazon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v12 07/11] x86/smpboot: Remove early_gdt_descr on 64-bit
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2023 14:25:36 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Y//Q4Mh6/65Keruu@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20230301221632.GI2948950@paulmck-ThinkPad-P17-Gen-1>

On Wed, Mar 01, 2023 at 02:16:32PM -0800, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 01, 2023 at 12:32:26PM -0800, Josh Triplett wrote:
> > On Tue, Feb 28, 2023 at 01:02:33PM -0800, Arjan van de Ven wrote:
> >   Thomas Gleixner wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > Maybe we should enforce CONFIG_SMP=y first :)
> > > > 
> > > > Thanks,
> > > 
> > > for 64 bit I can see the point of removing the !SMP case entirely from arch/x86 .
> > > maybe even for 32 bit if it just makes the code simpler I suppose
> > 
> > As one of the folks keeping an eye on tinyconfig and kernel size, I
> > actually think we *should* make this change and rip out !CONFIG_SMP,
> > albeit carefully.
> > 
> > In particular, I would propose that we rip out !CONFIG_SMP, *but* we
> > allow building with CONFIG_NR_CPUS=1. (And we could make sure in that
> > case that the compiler can recognize that at compile time and optimize
> > accordingly, so that it might provide some of the UP optimizations for
> > us.)
> > 
> > Then, any *optimizations* for the "will only have one CPU, ever" case
> > can move to CONFIG_NR_CPUS=1 rather than !CONFIG_SMP. I think many of
> > those optimizations may be worth keeping for small embedded systems, or
> > for cases like Linux-as-bootloader or similar.
> > 
> > The difference here would be that code written for !CONFIG_SMP today
> > needs to account for the UP case for *correctness*, whereas code written
> > for CONFIG_SMP can *optionally* consider CONFIG_NR_CPUS=1 for
> > *performance*.
> 
> It certainly would not make much sense to keep Tiny RCU and Tiny SRCU
> around if there was no CONFIG_SMP=n.

On the contrary, I think it's entirely appropriate to keep them for
CONFIG_NR_CPUS=1; that's exactly the kind of simple optimization that
seems well worth having. (Ideal optimization: "very very simple for UP,
complex for SMP"; non-ideal optimization: "complex for SMP, differently
complex for UP".)

- Josh

  reply	other threads:[~2023-03-01 22:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 49+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-02-26 11:07 [PATCH v12 00/11] Parallel CPU bringup for x86_64 Usama Arif
2023-02-26 11:07 ` [PATCH v12 01/11] x86/apic/x2apic: Allow CPU cluster_mask to be populated in parallel Usama Arif
2023-02-26 11:07 ` [PATCH v12 02/11] cpu/hotplug: Move idle_thread_get() to <linux/smpboot.h> Usama Arif
2023-02-26 11:07 ` [PATCH v12 03/11] cpu/hotplug: Add dynamic parallel bringup states before CPUHP_BRINGUP_CPU Usama Arif
2023-02-26 11:07 ` [PATCH v12 04/11] x86/smpboot: Reference count on smpboot_setup_warm_reset_vector() Usama Arif
2023-02-26 11:07 ` [PATCH v12 05/11] x86/smpboot: Split up native_cpu_up into separate phases and document them Usama Arif
2023-02-26 11:07 ` [PATCH v12 06/11] x86/smpboot: Remove initial_stack on 64-bit Usama Arif
2023-02-28 16:13   ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-02-28 16:25     ` David Woodhouse
2023-02-28 20:32       ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-02-28 17:09     ` David Woodhouse
2023-02-28 20:17       ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-02-28 20:43         ` David Woodhouse
2023-03-01 10:18           ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-03-01 10:42             ` David Woodhouse
2023-02-28 22:22     ` Brian Gerst
2023-02-26 11:07 ` [PATCH v12 07/11] x86/smpboot: Remove early_gdt_descr " Usama Arif
2023-02-28 21:01   ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-02-28 21:02     ` Arjan van de Ven
2023-03-01 20:32       ` Josh Triplett
2023-03-01 22:16         ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-03-01 22:25           ` Josh Triplett [this message]
2023-03-02  0:28             ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-03-02  1:05               ` Randy Dunlap
2023-03-02  1:37                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-02-28 21:57     ` David Woodhouse
2023-02-28 22:41       ` David Woodhouse
2023-02-28 22:48         ` Brian Gerst
2023-02-28 23:42           ` David Woodhouse
2023-03-01  0:02             ` H. Peter Anvin
2023-03-01  7:39               ` David Woodhouse
2023-03-01  0:03             ` Brian Gerst
2023-03-01 10:27       ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-02-28 22:09     ` Brian Gerst
2023-02-26 11:07 ` [PATCH v12 08/11] x86/smpboot: Remove initial_gs Usama Arif
2023-02-26 11:08 ` [PATCH v12 09/11] x86/smpboot: Support parallel startup of secondary CPUs Usama Arif
2023-02-26 11:08 ` [PATCH v12 10/11] x86/smpboot: Send INIT/SIPI/SIPI to secondary CPUs in parallel Usama Arif
2023-02-26 11:08 ` [PATCH v12 11/11] x86/smpboot: Serialize topology updates for secondary bringup Usama Arif
2023-02-26 18:31 ` [PATCH v12 00/11] Parallel CPU bringup for x86_64 Oleksandr Natalenko
2023-02-26 20:59   ` [External] " Usama Arif
2023-02-27  6:13     ` David Woodhouse
2023-02-27  6:25       ` Usama Arif
2023-02-27  6:14     ` Usama Arif
2023-02-27 15:29       ` David Woodhouse
2023-02-27 16:32         ` Usama Arif
2023-02-27 21:39 ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2023-02-28  9:07   ` David Woodhouse
2023-02-28 10:13   ` Paul Menzel
2023-02-28 12:04     ` Guilherme G. Piccoli

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