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From: Frederic Weisbecker <frederic@kernel.org>
To: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@kernel.org>
Cc: Joel Fernandes <joel@joelfernandes.org>,
	Uladzislau Rezki <urezki@gmail.com>,
	"Zhuo, Qiuxu" <qiuxu.zhuo@intel.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Lai Jiangshan <jiangshanlai@gmail.com>,
	linux-doc@vger.kernel.org, rcu@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC v2] rcu: Add a minimum time for marking boot as completed
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2023 00:40:38 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Y/0/dnmIk508sidK@lothringen> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20230227230502.GJ2948950@paulmck-ThinkPad-P17-Gen-1>

On Mon, Feb 27, 2023 at 03:05:02PM -0800, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 27, 2023 at 02:10:30PM -0500, Joel Fernandes wrote:
> 
> The combination of sysfs manipulated by userspace and a kernel failsafe
> makes sense to me.  Especially if by default triggering the failsafe
> splats.  That way, bugs where userspace fails to update the sysfs file
> get caught.
> 
> The non-default silent-failsafe mode is also useful to allow some power
> savings in advance of userspace getting the sysfs updating in place.
> And of course the default splatting setup can be used in internal testing
> with the release software being more tolerant of userspace foibles.

I'm wondering, this is all about CONFIG_RCU_LAZY, right? Or does also expedited
GP turned off a bit early or late on boot matter for anybody in practice?

So shouldn't we disable lazy callbacks by default when CONFIG_RCU_LAZY=y and then
turn it on with "sysctl kernel.rcu.lazy=1" only whenever userspace feels ready
about it? We can still keep the current call to rcu_end_inkernel_boot().

And if suddenly disabling lazy by default is an ABI breakage we can still add
CONFIG_RCU_LAZY_DEFAULT_DISABLED.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2023-02-27 23:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-02-25  3:34 [PATCH RFC v2] rcu: Add a minimum time for marking boot as completed Joel Fernandes (Google)
2023-02-25  3:36 ` Randy Dunlap
2023-02-25 11:55 ` kernel test robot
2023-02-26 19:45 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2023-02-26 23:07   ` Joel Fernandes
2023-02-27  7:53 ` Zhuo, Qiuxu
2023-02-27 13:22   ` Joel Fernandes
2023-02-27 14:55     ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-02-27 15:16       ` Joel Fernandes
2023-02-27 18:06         ` Uladzislau Rezki
2023-02-27 18:15           ` Joel Fernandes
2023-02-27 18:20             ` Uladzislau Rezki
2023-02-27 18:27               ` Joel Fernandes
2023-02-27 18:57                 ` Uladzislau Rezki
2023-02-27 19:10                   ` Joel Fernandes
2023-02-27 23:05                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-02-27 23:24                       ` Joel Fernandes
2023-02-27 23:40                       ` Frederic Weisbecker [this message]
2023-02-28  1:30                         ` Joel Fernandes
2023-02-28 11:04                           ` Frederic Weisbecker
2023-02-28 20:09                             ` Joel Fernandes
2023-03-01 17:11                               ` Frederic Weisbecker
2023-03-01 21:31                                 ` Joel Fernandes
2023-03-02  0:49                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-03-02  1:08                                     ` Joel Fernandes
2023-03-02  1:19                                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-02-28 11:42                     ` Uladzislau Rezki
2023-02-28  6:40     ` Zhuo, Qiuxu
2023-02-28 14:27       ` Joel Fernandes
2023-03-01  1:34         ` Zhuo, Qiuxu
2023-03-01 15:57           ` Joel Fernandes

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