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From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>
To: Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@redhat.com>
Cc: "Avihai Horon" <avihaih@nvidia.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, "Cédric Le Goater" <clg@redhat.com>,
	"Juan Quintela" <quintela@redhat.com>,
	"Dr. David Alan Gilbert" <dgilbert@redhat.com>,
	"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	"Peter Xu" <peterx@redhat.com>,
	"Jason Wang" <jasowang@redhat.com>,
	"Marcel Apfelbaum" <marcel.apfelbaum@gmail.com>,
	"Paolo Bonzini" <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	"Richard Henderson" <richard.henderson@linaro.org>,
	"Eduardo Habkost" <eduardo@habkost.net>,
	"David Hildenbrand" <david@redhat.com>,
	"Philippe Mathieu-Daudé" <philmd@linaro.org>,
	"Yishai Hadas" <yishaih@nvidia.com>,
	"Maor Gottlieb" <maorg@nvidia.com>,
	"Kirti Wankhede" <kwankhede@nvidia.com>,
	"Tarun Gupta" <targupta@nvidia.com>,
	"Joao Martins" <joao.m.martins@oracle.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 17/20] vfio/common: Support device dirty page tracking with vIOMMU
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2023 22:08:33 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Y/bKoUBe17YNhGEA@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20230222163439.68ad5e63.alex.williamson@redhat.com>

On Wed, Feb 22, 2023 at 04:34:39PM -0700, Alex Williamson wrote:
> > +    /*
> > +     * With vIOMMU we try to track the entire IOVA space. As the IOVA space can
> > +     * be rather big, devices might not be able to track it due to HW
> > +     * limitations. In that case:
> > +     * (1) Retry tracking a smaller part of the IOVA space.
> > +     * (2) Retry tracking a range in the size of the physical memory.
> 
> This looks really sketchy, why do we think there's a "good enough"
> value here?  If we get it wrong, the device potentially has access to
> IOVA space that we're not tracking, right?

The idea was the untracked range becomes permanently dirty, so at
worst this means the migration never converges.
 
#2 is the presumption that the guest is using an identity map.

> I'd think the only viable fallback if the vIOMMU doesn't report its max
> IOVA is the full 64-bit address space, otherwise it seems like we need
> to add a migration blocker.

This is basically saying vIOMMU doesn't work with migration, and we've
heard that this isn't OK. There are cases where vIOMMU is on but the
guest always uses identity maps. eg for virtual interrupt remapping.

We also have future problems that nested translation is incompatible
with device dirty tracking..

Jason


  reply	other threads:[~2023-02-23  2:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 93+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-02-22 17:48 [PATCH v2 00/20] vfio: Add migration pre-copy support and device dirty tracking Avihai Horon
2023-02-22 17:48 ` [PATCH v2 01/20] migration: Pass threshold_size to .state_pending_{estimate, exact}() Avihai Horon via
2023-02-22 17:48 ` [PATCH v2 02/20] vfio/migration: Refactor vfio_save_block() to return saved data size Avihai Horon
2023-02-27 14:10   ` Cédric Le Goater
2023-02-22 17:48 ` [PATCH v2 03/20] vfio/migration: Add VFIO migration pre-copy support Avihai Horon
2023-02-22 20:58   ` Alex Williamson
2023-02-23 15:25     ` Avihai Horon
2023-02-23 21:16       ` Alex Williamson
2023-02-26 16:43         ` Avihai Horon
2023-02-27 16:14           ` Alex Williamson
2023-02-27 17:26             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-02-27 17:43               ` Alex Williamson
2023-03-01 18:49                 ` Avihai Horon
2023-03-01 19:55                   ` Alex Williamson
2023-03-01 21:12                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-03-01 22:39                       ` Alex Williamson
2023-03-06 19:01                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-02-22 17:48 ` [PATCH v2 04/20] vfio/common: Fix error reporting in vfio_get_dirty_bitmap() Avihai Horon
2023-02-22 17:49 ` [PATCH v2 05/20] vfio/common: Fix wrong %m usages Avihai Horon
2023-02-22 17:49 ` [PATCH v2 06/20] vfio/common: Abort migration if dirty log start/stop/sync fails Avihai Horon
2023-02-22 17:49 ` [PATCH v2 07/20] vfio/common: Add VFIOBitmap and (de)alloc functions Avihai Horon
2023-02-22 21:40   ` Alex Williamson
2023-02-23 15:27     ` Avihai Horon
2023-02-27 14:09   ` Cédric Le Goater
2023-03-01 18:56     ` Avihai Horon
2023-03-02 13:24     ` Joao Martins
2023-03-02 14:52       ` Cédric Le Goater
2023-03-02 16:30         ` Joao Martins
2023-03-04  0:23         ` Joao Martins
2023-02-22 17:49 ` [PATCH v2 08/20] util: Add iova_tree_nnodes() Avihai Horon
2023-02-22 17:49 ` [PATCH v2 09/20] util: Extend iova_tree_foreach() to take data argument Avihai Horon
2023-02-22 17:49 ` [PATCH v2 10/20] vfio/common: Record DMA mapped IOVA ranges Avihai Horon
2023-02-22 22:10   ` Alex Williamson
2023-02-23 10:37     ` Joao Martins
2023-02-23 21:05       ` Alex Williamson
2023-02-23 21:19         ` Joao Martins
2023-02-23 21:50           ` Alex Williamson
2023-02-23 21:54             ` Joao Martins
2023-02-28 12:11             ` Joao Martins
2023-02-28 20:36               ` Alex Williamson
2023-03-02  0:07                 ` Joao Martins
2023-03-02  0:13                   ` Joao Martins
2023-03-02 18:42                   ` Alex Williamson
2023-03-03  0:19                     ` Joao Martins
2023-03-03 16:58                       ` Joao Martins
2023-03-03 17:05                         ` Alex Williamson
2023-03-03 19:14                           ` Joao Martins
2023-03-03 19:40                             ` Alex Williamson
2023-03-03 20:16                               ` Joao Martins
2023-03-03 23:47                                 ` Alex Williamson
2023-03-03 23:57                                   ` Joao Martins
2023-03-04  0:21                                     ` Joao Martins
2023-02-22 17:49 ` [PATCH v2 11/20] vfio/common: Add device dirty page tracking start/stop Avihai Horon
2023-02-22 22:40   ` Alex Williamson
2023-02-23  2:02     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-02-23 19:27       ` Alex Williamson
2023-02-23 19:30         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-02-23 20:16           ` Alex Williamson
2023-02-23 20:54             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-02-26 16:54               ` Avihai Horon
2023-02-23 15:36     ` Avihai Horon
2023-02-22 17:49 ` [PATCH v2 12/20] vfio/common: Extract code from vfio_get_dirty_bitmap() to new function Avihai Horon
2023-02-22 17:49 ` [PATCH v2 13/20] vfio/common: Add device dirty page bitmap sync Avihai Horon
2023-02-22 17:49 ` [PATCH v2 14/20] vfio/common: Extract vIOMMU code from vfio_sync_dirty_bitmap() Avihai Horon
2023-02-22 17:49 ` [PATCH v2 15/20] memory/iommu: Add IOMMU_ATTR_MAX_IOVA attribute Avihai Horon
2023-02-22 17:49 ` [PATCH v2 16/20] intel-iommu: Implement get_attr() method Avihai Horon
2023-02-22 17:49 ` [PATCH v2 17/20] vfio/common: Support device dirty page tracking with vIOMMU Avihai Horon
2023-02-22 23:34   ` Alex Williamson
2023-02-23  2:08     ` Jason Gunthorpe [this message]
2023-02-23 20:06       ` Alex Williamson
2023-02-23 20:55         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-02-23 21:30           ` Joao Martins
2023-02-23 22:33           ` Alex Williamson
2023-02-23 23:26             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-02-24 11:25               ` Joao Martins
2023-02-24 12:53                 ` Joao Martins
2023-02-24 15:47                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-02-24 15:56                   ` Alex Williamson
2023-02-24 19:16                     ` Joao Martins
2023-02-22 17:49 ` [PATCH v2 18/20] vfio/common: Optimize " Avihai Horon
2023-02-22 17:49 ` [PATCH v2 19/20] vfio/migration: Query device dirty page tracking support Avihai Horon
2023-02-22 17:49 ` [PATCH v2 20/20] docs/devel: Document VFIO device dirty page tracking Avihai Horon
2023-02-27 14:29   ` Cédric Le Goater
2023-02-22 18:00 ` [PATCH v2 00/20] vfio: Add migration pre-copy support and device dirty tracking Avihai Horon
2023-02-22 20:55 ` Alex Williamson
2023-02-23 10:05   ` Cédric Le Goater
2023-02-23 15:07     ` Avihai Horon
2023-02-27 10:24       ` Cédric Le Goater
2023-02-23 14:56   ` Avihai Horon
2023-02-24 19:26     ` Joao Martins
2023-02-26 17:00       ` Avihai Horon
2023-02-27 13:50         ` Cédric Le Goater
2023-03-01 19:04           ` Avihai Horon

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