From: Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.com>
To: Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito <eesposit@redhat.com>
Cc: Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>,
qemu-block@nongnu.org, Hanna Reitz <hreitz@redhat.com>,
Stefan Weil <sw@weilnetz.de>, Fam Zheng <fam@euphon.net>,
Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
qemu-devel@nongnu.org, quintela@redhat.com,
"Dr. David Alan Gilbert" <dgilbert@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] thread-pool: use ThreadPool from the running thread
Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2022 11:39:23 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <Y1Frq6R4DFOPWyIY@fedora> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <dc4bf265-4cd9-ef29-2e3f-d15e779bd8db@redhat.com>
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On Mon, Oct 03, 2022 at 10:52:33AM +0200, Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito wrote:
>
>
> Am 30/09/2022 um 17:45 schrieb Kevin Wolf:
> > Am 30.09.2022 um 14:17 hat Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito geschrieben:
> >> Am 29/09/2022 um 17:30 schrieb Kevin Wolf:
> >>> Am 09.06.2022 um 15:44 hat Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito geschrieben:
> >>>> Remove usage of aio_context_acquire by always submitting work items
> >>>> to the current thread's ThreadPool.
> >>>>
> >>>> Signed-off-by: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
> >>>> Signed-off-by: Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito <eesposit@redhat.com>
> >>>
> >>> The thread pool is used by things outside of the file-* block drivers,
> >>> too. Even outside the block layer. Not all of these seem to submit work
> >>> in the same thread.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> For example:
> >>>
> >>> postcopy_ram_listen_thread() -> qemu_loadvm_state_main() ->
> >>> qemu_loadvm_section_start_full() -> vmstate_load() ->
> >>> vmstate_load_state() -> spapr_nvdimm_flush_post_load(), which has:
> >>>
> >>> ThreadPool *pool = aio_get_thread_pool(qemu_get_aio_context());
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
aio_get_thread_pool() isn't thread safe either:
ThreadPool *aio_get_thread_pool(AioContext *ctx)
{
if (!ctx->thread_pool) {
ctx->thread_pool = thread_pool_new(ctx);
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Two threads could race in aio_get_thread_pool().
I think post-copy is broken here: it's calling code that was only
designed to be called from the main loop thread.
I have CCed Juan and David.
> >>> ...
> >>> thread_pool_submit_aio(pool, flush_worker_cb, state,
> >>> spapr_nvdimm_flush_completion_cb, state);
> >>>
> >>> So it seems to me that we may be submitting work for the main thread
> >>> from a postcopy migration thread.
> >>>
> >>> I believe the other direct callers of thread_pool_submit_aio() all
> >>> submit work for the main thread and also run in the main thread.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> For thread_pool_submit_co(), pr_manager_execute() calls it with the pool
> >>> it gets passed as a parameter. This is still bdrv_get_aio_context(bs) in
> >>> hdev_co_ioctl() and should probably be changed the same way as for the
> >>> AIO call in file-posix, i.e. use qemu_get_current_aio_context().
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> We could consider either asserting in thread_pool_submit_aio() that we
> >>> are really in the expected thread, or like I suggested for LinuxAio drop
> >>> the pool parameter and always get it from the current thread (obviously
> >>> this is only possible if migration could in fact schedule the work on
> >>> its current thread - if it schedules it on the main thread and then
> >>> exits the migration thread (which destroys the thread pool), that
> >>> wouldn't be good).
> >>
> >> Dumb question: why not extend the already-existing poll->lock to cover
> >> also the necessary fields like pool->head that are accessed by other
> >> threads (only case I could find with thread_pool_submit_aio is the one
> >> you pointed above)?
> >
> > Other people are more familiar with this code, but I believe this could
> > have performance implications. I seem to remember that this code is
> > careful to avoid locking to synchronise between worker threads and the
> > main thread.
> >
> > But looking at the patch again, I have actually a dumb question, too:
> > The locking you're removing is in thread_pool_completion_bh(). As this
> > is a BH, it's running the the ThreadPool's context either way, no matter
> > which thread called thread_pool_submit_aio().
> >
> > I'm not sure what this aio_context_acquire/release pair is actually
> > supposed to protect. Paolo's commit 1919631e6b5 introduced it. Was it
> > just more careful than it needs to be?
> >
>
> I think the goal is still to protect pool->head, but if so the
> aiocontext lock is put in the wrong place, because as you said the bh is
> always run in the thread pool context. Otherwise it seems to make no sense.
>
> On the other side, thread_pool_submit_aio could be called by other
> threads on behalf of the main loop, which means pool->head could be
> modified (iothread calls thread_pool_submit_aio) while being read by the
> main loop (another worker thread schedules thread_pool_completion_bh).
>
> What are the performance implications? I mean, if the aiocontext lock in
> the bh is actually useful and the bh really has to wait to take it,
> being taken in much more places throughout the block layer won't be
> better than extending the poll->lock I guess.
thread_pool_submit_aio() is missing documentation on how it is supposed
to be called.
Taking pool->lock is conservative and fine in the short-term.
In the longer term we need to clarify how thread_pool_submit_aio() is
supposed to be used and remove locking to protect pool->head if
possible.
A bunch of the event loop APIs are thread-safe (aio_set_fd_handler(),
qemu_schedule_bh(), etc) so it's somewhat natural to make
thread_pool_submit_aio() thread-safe too. However, it would be nice to
avoid synchronization and existing callers mostly call it from the same
event loop thread that runs the BH and we can avoid locking in that
case.
Stefan
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2022-10-20 15:55 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2022-06-09 13:44 [PATCH 0/2] AioContext removal: LinuxAioState and ThreadPool Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2022-06-09 13:44 ` [PATCH 1/2] linux-aio: use LinuxAioState from the running thread Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2022-09-29 14:52 ` Kevin Wolf
2022-09-30 10:00 ` Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2022-09-30 15:32 ` Kevin Wolf
2022-10-03 9:18 ` Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2022-06-09 13:44 ` [PATCH 2/2] thread-pool: use ThreadPool " Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2022-09-29 15:30 ` Kevin Wolf
2022-09-30 12:17 ` Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2022-09-30 14:46 ` Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2022-09-30 15:45 ` Kevin Wolf
2022-10-03 8:52 ` Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2022-10-20 15:39 ` Stefan Hajnoczi [this message]
2022-10-20 16:22 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2022-10-24 18:49 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
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