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From: Taylor Blau <me@ttaylorr.com>
To: Johannes Schindelin <Johannes.Schindelin@gmx.de>
Cc: "Taylor Blau" <me@ttaylorr.com>,
	"Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget" <gitgitgadget@gmail.com>,
	git@vger.kernel.org, "René Scharfe" <l.s.r@web.de>,
	"Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason" <avarab@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 2/2] tests(mingw): avoid very slow `mingw_test_cmp`
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2022 19:07:53 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Y3rBWUidFe6SVmWI@nand.local> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <q39q9rr7-or29-5510-5177-2s92n8qs2540@tzk.qr>

On Mon, Nov 21, 2022 at 12:36:25AM +0100, Johannes Schindelin wrote:
> I am referring to the fact that Git for Windows has run with a very
> different solution for this problem, for years, yet it was rejected upon
> upstreaming, and had to be replaced by a completely different workaround.
>
> It's not just a simple "earlier round of review" at all that is the issue
> I am describing.

Right. Having read the earlier thread myself, I am familiar with the
context. So I'm not trying to dismiss it as just another round of
review, but instead try to steer the commit message in a more
constructive direction.

> It is a very real concern of future readers who know what patches are
> currently in Git for Windows and who all of a sudden do not find the `git
> test-tool cmp` code anymore in Git for Windows and then see that `git diff
> --no-index` is used and naturally want to know what the heck happened.
>
> This is context relevant to understand why the particular approach
> implemented in the patch was chosen and another one was discarded (when
> that other approach has served Git for Windows very well for several
> years), for which the commit message is precisely the appropriate place. I
> am quite lost trying to understand why I am asked to remove said context,
> leaving future readers puzzled e.g. in the case that it should turn out to
> have been a terrible idea to use the quite complex diff machinery for as
> simple a task as `test_cmp`. It sounds to me like I am asked to make my
> contribution worse ("worsimprove" is the term I recently learned to
> describe this) instead of helping me to improve it.

No. I am not suggesting you remove context at all. But what I am saying
is that describing the last attempt at upstreaming by saying it "saw a
lot of backlash and distractions during review and was therefore
abandoned" is not helpful.

If it saw backlash and distraction: why? What about the approach caused
backlash? Describing that thing as an alternative approach and
explaining concretely why it was disliked is the sort of context that I
think we should aim for in our commit messages.

But characterizing the review outright as full of backlash and
distractions is not helpful to future readers, and it is not a kind way
to treat others on the list who may have participated in that review.

> The advice you provided directly contradicts what is written in
> https://git-scm.com/docs/SubmittingPatches#describe-changes, after all
> (ignore the funny grammar for now unless you want to add a tangent to this
> already long thread):
>
> 	The body should provide a meaningful commit message, which:
>
> 	    [...]
>
> 	    3. alternate solutions considered but discarded, if any.

I am saying that, as written, the commit message does not explain what
the alternative approaches were in great detail.

Thanks,
Taylor

  reply	other threads:[~2022-11-21  0:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-07-29 14:53 [PATCH] tests: replace mingw_test_cmp with a helper in C Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2022-07-29 14:54 ` Johannes Schindelin
2022-07-29 16:44 ` Junio C Hamano
2022-09-06 13:10   ` Johannes Schindelin
2022-09-07 12:09     ` René Scharfe
2022-09-07 16:25       ` Junio C Hamano
2022-09-07 21:45         ` Re* " Junio C Hamano
2022-09-07 22:39           ` René Scharfe
2022-09-08  0:03             ` Junio C Hamano
2022-09-08  8:59         ` René Scharfe
2022-09-08 15:26           ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-09-08 20:54         ` Johannes Schindelin
2022-09-08 21:09           ` Junio C Hamano
2022-09-06 13:10 ` [PATCH v2 0/2] " Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2022-09-06 13:10   ` [PATCH v2 1/2] t0021: use Windows-friendly `pwd` Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2022-09-06 13:10   ` [PATCH v2 2/2] tests: replace mingw_test_cmp with a helper in C Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2022-09-07 11:57     ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-09-07 12:24       ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-09-07 19:45         ` Junio C Hamano
2022-09-07  9:04   ` [PATCH v2 0/2] " Johannes Schindelin
2022-11-12 22:07   ` [PATCH v3 " Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2022-11-12 22:07     ` [PATCH v3 1/2] t0021: use Windows-friendly `pwd` Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2022-11-12 22:07     ` [PATCH v3 2/2] tests(mingw): avoid very slow `mingw_test_cmp` Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2022-11-13  4:51       ` Taylor Blau
2022-11-14 13:34         ` Johannes Schindelin
2022-11-18 23:15         ` Junio C Hamano
2022-11-19  2:53           ` Taylor Blau
2022-11-19 12:03             ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-11-19  8:18           ` Johannes Sixt
2022-11-19 17:50             ` René Scharfe
2022-11-20  9:29               ` Torsten Bögershausen
2022-11-21 17:49               ` Johannes Sixt
2022-11-21  3:13             ` Junio C Hamano
2022-11-14  9:53       ` Phillip Wood
2022-11-14 13:47         ` Johannes Schindelin
2022-11-14 11:55       ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-11-14 14:02         ` Johannes Schindelin
2022-11-14 15:23           ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-11-18 23:19             ` Junio C Hamano
2022-11-19  2:56               ` Taylor Blau
2022-11-19 11:54                 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-11-21  3:17                   ` Junio C Hamano
2022-11-14 14:06     ` [PATCH v4 0/2] tests(mingw): avoid super-slow mingw_test_cmp Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2022-11-14 14:06       ` [PATCH v4 1/2] t0021: use Windows-friendly `pwd` Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2022-11-14 14:06       ` [PATCH v4 2/2] tests(mingw): avoid very slow `mingw_test_cmp` Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2022-11-14 22:40         ` Taylor Blau
2022-11-18 13:32           ` Johannes Schindelin
2022-11-18 18:14             ` Taylor Blau
2022-11-20 23:36               ` Johannes Schindelin
2022-11-21  0:07                 ` Taylor Blau [this message]
2022-12-06 15:07       ` [PATCH v5 0/2] tests(mingw): avoid super-slow mingw_test_cmp Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2022-12-06 15:07         ` [PATCH v5 1/2] t0021: use Windows-friendly `pwd` Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2022-12-06 15:07         ` [PATCH v5 2/2] tests(mingw): avoid very slow `mingw_test_cmp` Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2022-12-06 18:55           ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-12-06 21:52           ` Johannes Sixt
2022-12-06 21:54           ` René Scharfe
2022-12-07  4:33             ` Junio C Hamano
2022-12-07  1:31           ` Taylor Blau

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