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From: "Marek Marczykowski-Górecki" <marmarek@invisiblethingslab.com>
To: Ian Jackson <iwj@xenproject.org>
Cc: xen-devel@lists.xenproject.org,
	Andrew Cooper <andrew.cooper3@citrix.com>,
	George Dunlap <george.dunlap@citrix.com>,
	Jan Beulich <jbeulich@suse.com>, Julien Grall <julien@xen.org>,
	Stefano Stabellini <sstabellini@kernel.org>, Wei Liu <wl@xen.org>,
	committers@xenproject.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] RFC: Version support policy
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2021 13:16:18 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <YRzsAvOU5G2O1X2+@mail-itl> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20210813113727.6028-1-iwj@xenproject.org>

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On Fri, Aug 13, 2021 at 12:37:27PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote:
> The current policy for minimum supported versions of tools, compilers,
> etc. is unsatisfactory: For many dependencies no minimum version is
> specified.  For those where a version is stated, updating it is a
> decision that has to be explicitly taken for that tool.
> 
> The result is persistent debates over what is good to support,
> conducted in detail in the context of individual patches.
> 
> Decisions about support involve tradeoffs, often tradeoffs between the
> interests of different people.  Currently we don't have anything
> resembling a guideline.  The result is that the individual debates are
> inconclusive; and also, this framework does not lead to good feelings
> amongst participants.
> 
> I suggest instead that we adopt a date-based policy: we define a
> maximum *age* of dependencies that we will support.

I wonder about another approach: specify supported toolchain version(s)
based on environments we choose to care about. That would be things like
"Debian, including LTS (or even ELTS) one", "RHEL/CentOS until X...",
etc. Based on this, it's easy to derive what's the oldest version that
needs to be supported.
This would be also much friendlier for testing - a clear definition
what environments should be used (in gitlab-ci, I guess).

Thoughts?

> The existing documentation about actually known working versions
> then becomes a practical consequence of that policy.
> 
> In this patch I propose a cutoff of 6 years.
> Obviously there will be debate about the precise value.
> 
> It will also be necessary to make exceptions, and/or to make different
> rules for different architectures.  In particular, new architectures,
> new configurations, or new features, may need an absolute earliest
> tooling date which is considerably less than the usual limit.
> 
> I have tried to transcribe the current compiler version info into this
> format.  The dates in the exceptions are all more recent than my
> suggested 6 year cutoff, so if this patch is applied to staging and
> not applied retrospectively, they could be removed.
> 
> I'm not sure if this policy should be here in README (where the
> version support was until now) or in SUPPORT.md.

-- 
Best Regards,
Marek Marczykowski-Górecki
Invisible Things Lab

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  reply	other threads:[~2021-08-18 11:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-08-13 11:37 [PATCH] RFC: Version support policy Ian Jackson
2021-08-18 11:16 ` Marek Marczykowski-Górecki [this message]
2022-02-14 21:31   ` George Dunlap
2021-08-19  9:18 ` Jan Beulich
2021-08-19 11:55   ` Ian Jackson
2021-08-19 12:00     ` Jan Beulich
2022-02-14 21:50   ` George Dunlap
2022-02-15  8:20     ` Jan Beulich
2022-02-28 14:46       ` George Dunlap
2022-02-22 12:18     ` Wojtek Porczyk
2022-02-22 12:34       ` Marek Marczykowski-Górecki
2022-02-22 14:58       ` George Dunlap
2022-02-22 15:05         ` Jan Beulich
2022-02-22 15:42           ` Marek Marczykowski-Górecki
2022-02-23 13:20             ` George Dunlap
2022-02-23 14:52               ` Wojtek Porczyk

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