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From: "Roger Pau Monné" <roger.pau@citrix.com>
To: Jan Beulich <jbeulich@suse.com>
Cc: "xen-devel@lists.xenproject.org" <xen-devel@lists.xenproject.org>,
	Andrew Cooper <andrew.cooper3@citrix.com>, Wei Liu <wl@xen.org>,
	Paul Durrant <paul@xen.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 3/3] AMD/IOMMU: iommu_enable vs iommu_intremap
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2021 15:59:26 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <YYFSTv85MoVdKH+V@Air-de-Roger> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1c604641-0dd9-6912-7bd5-02ee1cb868b6@suse.com>

On Tue, Nov 02, 2021 at 03:00:24PM +0100, Jan Beulich wrote:
> On 02.11.2021 12:03, Roger Pau Monné wrote:
> > On Tue, Nov 02, 2021 at 11:13:08AM +0100, Jan Beulich wrote:
> >> On 25.10.2021 12:28, Roger Pau Monné wrote:
> >>> On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 11:59:02AM +0200, Jan Beulich wrote:
> >>>> The two are really meant to be independent settings; iov_supports_xt()
> >>>> using || instead of && was simply wrong. The corrected check is,
> >>>> however, redundant, just like the (correct) one in iov_detect(): These
> >>>> hook functions are unreachable without acpi_ivrs_init() installing the
> >>>> iommu_init_ops pointer, which it does only upon success. (Unlike for
> >>>> VT-d there is no late clearing of iommu_enable due to quirks, and any
> >>>> possible clearing of iommu_intremap happens only after iov_supports_xt()
> >>>> has run.)
> >>>>
> >>>> Signed-off-by: Jan Beulich <jbeulich@suse.com>
> >>>> ---
> >>>> In fact in iov_detect() it could be iommu_enable alone which gets
> >>>> checked, but this felt overly aggressive to me. Instead I'm getting the
> >>>> impression that the function may wrongly not get called when "iommu=off"
> >>>> but interrupt remapping is in use: We'd not get the interrupt handler
> >>>> installed, and hence interrupt remapping related events would never get
> >>>> reported. (Same on VT-d, FTAOD.)
> >>>
> >>> I've spend a non-trivial amount of time looking into this before
> >>> reading this note. AFAICT you could set iommu=off and still get x2APIC
> >>> enabled and relying on interrupt remapping.
> >>
> >> Right, contrary to ...
> >>
> >>>> For iov_supports_xt() the question is whether, like VT-d's
> >>>> intel_iommu_supports_eim(), it shouldn't rather check iommu_intremap
> >>>> alone (in which case it would need to remain a check rather than getting
> >>>> converted to ASSERT()).
> >>>
> >>> Hm, no, I don't think so. I think iommu_enable should take precedence
> >>> over iommu_intremap, and having iommu_enable == false should force
> >>> interrupt remapping to be reported as disabled. Note that disabling it
> >>> in iommu_setup is too late, as the APIC initialization will have
> >>> already taken place.
> >>>
> >>> It's my reading of the command line parameter documentation that
> >>> setting iommu=off should disable all usage of the IOMMU, and that
> >>> includes the interrupt remapping support (ie: a user should not need
> >>> to set iommu=off,no-intremap)
> >>
> >> ... that documentation. But I think it's the documentation that
> >> wants fixing, such that iommu=off really only control DMA remap.
> > 
> > IMO I think it's confusing to have sub-options that could be enabled
> > when you set the global one to off. I would expect `iommu=off` to
> > disable all the iommu related options, and I think it's fair for
> > people to expect that behavior.
> > 
> > I'm unsure whether it's fair to change the documentation now, we
> > should instead fix the code, so that people using `iommu=off` get the
> > expected behavior. Then we would likely need to introduce a way to
> > disable just dma remapping (dmaremap, similar to intremap). That
> > would make a much better and saner interface IMO.
> 
> But from an x2APIC perspective it is a problem to have "iommu=off"
> also turn off intremap.

I think we could log a message in that case? (x2APIC could be enabled
but iommu explicitly disabled)

And maybe expand the documentation to notice that disabling the iommu
or interrupt remapping will disable x2APIC support.

> And indeed the option has never (fully)
> worked that way: It clears iommu_enable, but not iommu_intremap
> (nor any of the other sub-options, but there it's less of a problem
> because they're not used in isolation), and iommu_intremap only
> may have happened to either get turned off later or to not get
> evaluated in at least some of the case.

While I understand there's some baggage here, I'm not sure keeping the
current behavior is correct. I would rather have iommu=off to cover
all iommu functionality, and then we should add dmaremap sub-option to
disable remapping only. I think that would be a sane and logic
interface for users to understand.

We should also note the implications of disabling interrupt remapping
regarding x2APIC support in the documentation.

Thanks, Roger.


  reply	other threads:[~2021-11-02 15:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-10-21  9:57 [PATCH v2 0/3] x86/IOMMU: enabled / intremap handling Jan Beulich
2021-10-21  9:58 ` [PATCH v2 1/3] x86/IOMMU: mark IOMMU / intremap not in use when ACPI tables are missing Jan Beulich
2021-10-22  5:59   ` Jan Beulich
2021-10-29  8:44     ` Tian, Kevin
2021-10-22 15:52   ` Roger Pau Monné
2021-11-02 10:07     ` Jan Beulich
2021-11-02 10:26       ` Roger Pau Monné
2021-10-21  9:58 ` [PATCH v2 2/3] x86/APIC: avoid iommu_supports_x2apic() on error path Jan Beulich
2021-10-25  8:41   ` Roger Pau Monné
2021-10-21  9:59 ` [PATCH v2 3/3] AMD/IOMMU: iommu_enable vs iommu_intremap Jan Beulich
2021-10-25 10:28   ` Roger Pau Monné
2021-11-02 10:13     ` Jan Beulich
2021-11-02 11:03       ` Roger Pau Monné
2021-11-02 14:00         ` Jan Beulich
2021-11-02 14:59           ` Roger Pau Monné [this message]
2021-11-03  9:46         ` Jan Beulich
2021-11-03 15:06           ` Roger Pau Monné
2021-11-03 15:15             ` Jan Beulich
2021-11-03 17:00               ` Roger Pau Monné
2021-11-02 10:17 ` [PATCH v2 0/3] x86/IOMMU: enabled / intremap handling Jan Beulich
2021-11-03 11:01   ` [PATCH v2 0/3][4.16] " Jan Beulich
2021-11-03 16:19     ` Ian Jackson
2021-11-04  8:15       ` Jan Beulich
2021-11-04 11:10         ` Ian Jackson

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