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From: "Dr. David Alan Gilbert" <dgilbert@redhat.com>
To: Ilya Leoshkevich <iii@linux.ibm.com>
Cc: "Peter Maydell" <peter.maydell@linaro.org>,
	thuth@redhat.com,
	"Christian Borntraeger" <borntraeger@linux.ibm.com>,
	"Daniel P . Berrangé" <berrange@redhat.com>,
	"Juan Quintela" <quintela@redhat.com>,
	jinpu.wang@ionos.com, s.reiter@proxmox.com,
	"Cornelia Huck" <cohuck@redhat.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, peterx@redhat.com, qemu-s390x@nongnu.org,
	"Philippe Mathieu-Daudé" <philippe.mathieu.daude@gmail.com>,
	hreitz@redhat.com, f.ebner@proxmox.com,
	"Alex Bennée" <alex.bennee@linaro.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] multifd: Copy pages before compressing them with zlib
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2022 18:11:44 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Yksm0KLPHHQ4lZ7K@work-vm> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <76fd645d423ab0e835ef9de37aaeb9d857eae4e8.camel@linux.ibm.com>

* Ilya Leoshkevich (iii@linux.ibm.com) wrote:
> On Mon, 2022-04-04 at 12:20 +0100, Dr. David Alan Gilbert wrote:
> > * Ilya Leoshkevich (iii@linux.ibm.com) wrote:
> > > zlib_send_prepare() compresses pages of a running VM. zlib does not
> > > make any thread-safety guarantees with respect to changing
> > > deflate()
> > > input concurrently with deflate() [1].
> > > 
> > > One can observe problems due to this with the IBM zEnterprise Data
> > > Compression accelerator capable zlib [2]. When the hardware
> > > acceleration is enabled, migration/multifd/tcp/zlib test fails
> > > intermittently [3] due to sliding window corruption.
> > > 
> > > At the moment this problem occurs only with this accelerator, since
> > > its architecture explicitly discourages concurrent accesses [4]:
> > > 
> > >     Page 26-57, "Other Conditions":
> > > 
> > >     As observed by this CPU, other CPUs, and channel
> > >     programs, references to the parameter block, first,
> > >     second, and third operands may be multiple-access
> > >     references, accesses to these storage locations are
> > >     not necessarily block-concurrent, and the sequence
> > >     of these accesses or references is undefined.
> > > 
> > > Still, it might affect other platforms due to a future zlib update.
> > > Therefore, copy the page being compressed into a private buffer
> > > before
> > > passing it to zlib.
> > 
> > While this might work around the problem; your explanation doesn't
> > quite
> > fit with the symptoms; or if they do, then you have a separate
> > problem.
> > 
> > The live migration code relies on the fact that the source is running
> > and changing it's memory as the data is transmitted; however it also
> > relies on the fact that if this happens the 'dirty' flag is set
> > _after_
> > those changes causing another round of migration and retransmission
> > of
> > the (now stable) data.
> > 
> > We don't expect the load of the data for the first page write to be
> > correct, consistent etc - we just rely on the retransmission to be
> > correct when the page is stable.
> > 
> > If your compressor hardware is doing something undefined during the
> > first case that's fine; as long as it works fine in the stable case
> > where the data isn't changing.
> > 
> > Adding the extra copy is going to slow everyone else dowmn; and since
> > there's plenty of pthread lockingin those multifd I'm expecting them
> > to get reasonably defined ordering and thus be safe from multi
> > threading
> > problems (please correct us if we've actually done something wrong in
> > the locking there).
> > 
> > IMHO your accelerator when called from a zlib call needs to behave
> > the same as if it was the software implementation; i.e. if we've got
> > pthread calls in there that are enforcing ordering then that should
> > be
> > fine; your accelerator implementation needs to add a barrier of some
> > type or an internal copy, not penalise everyone else.
> > 
> > Dave
> 
> The problem with the accelerator is that during the first case the
> internal state might end up being corrupted (in particular: what goes
> into the deflate stream differs from what goes into the sliding
> window). This may affect the data integrity in the second case later
> on.

Hmm I hadn't expected the unpredictability to span multiple blocks.

> I've been trying to think what to do with that, and of course doing an
> internal copy is one option (a barrier won't suffice). However, I
> realized that zlib API as documented doesn't guarantee that it's safe
> to change input data concurrently with compression. On the other hand,
> today's zlib is implemented in a way that tolerates this.
> 
> So the open question for me is, whether we should honor zlib
> documentation (in which case, I would argue, QEMU needs to be changed)
> or say that the behavior of today's zlib implementation is more
> important (in which case accelerator code needs to change). I went with
> the former for now, but the latter is of course doable as well.

Well I think you're saying that the current docs don't specify and
thus assume that there's a constraint.

I think the right people to answer this is the zlib community; so
can you send a mail to zlib-devel and ask?

Dave

-- 
Dr. David Alan Gilbert / dgilbert@redhat.com / Manchester, UK



  reply	other threads:[~2022-04-04 17:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-03-29 15:21 [PATCH] multifd: Copy pages before compressing them with zlib Ilya Leoshkevich
2022-03-30 14:35 ` Christian Borntraeger
2022-04-04 11:20 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2022-04-04 12:09   ` Ilya Leoshkevich
2022-04-04 17:11     ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert [this message]
2022-04-04 12:45   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2022-04-04 13:55     ` Juan Quintela
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2022-07-04 16:41 Ilya Leoshkevich
2022-07-04 16:51 ` Juan Quintela
2022-07-05 15:27 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2022-07-05 17:22   ` Ilya Leoshkevich
2022-07-05 17:32     ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2022-07-05 16:00 ` Peter Maydell
2022-07-05 16:16   ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2022-07-05 16:27     ` Christian Borntraeger
2022-07-05 16:33       ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert

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