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From: Lennart Poettering <mzxreary@0pointer.de>
To: "Jason A. Donenfeld" <Jason@zx2c4.com>
Cc: Alexander Graf <graf@amazon.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org,
	Dominik Brodowski <linux@dominikbrodowski.net>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu>,
	Colm MacCarthaigh <colmmacc@amazon.com>,
	Torben Hansen <htorben@amazon.co.uk>,
	Jann Horn <jannh@google.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] random: add fork_event sysctl for polling VM forks
Date: Tue, 3 May 2022 14:33:39 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <YnEhI3IX0oerUbsZ@gardel-login> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <YnEYN+Q3q76NVX3Q@zx2c4.com>

On Di, 03.05.22 13:55, Jason A. Donenfeld (Jason@zx2c4.com) wrote:

> I'm still not convinced there's value in having a counter or a UUID, but
> if you had to choose, would you prefer a counter or a UUID? It sounds
> like the former, because you see a use for distinguishing between zero
> and non-zero? Or did you finally agree with me that vmgenid isn't
> granular enough for that?

I would prefer a monotonic counter, since it allows answering
questions like the following:

1. Did this image get cloned at all? (i.e. counter != 0; usecase as per the MAC address
   discussion)

2. Did the image get cloned since the last time I looked? (i.e. counter
   != my_previously_saved_counter; usecase: detect clones in an "offline"
   fashion, i.e. from a component that doesn't continously run, but
   only from time to time)

3. How many clones did I miss? (i.e. missed_clones =
   my_previously_saved_counter - counter; usecase: catch up with
   generating proxy D-Bus signal messages for clones).

There might be more.

Using a UUID would not give us #1 or #3. It would deliver #2 however.

Lennart

--
Lennart Poettering, Berlin

  reply	other threads:[~2022-05-03 12:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-05-02 14:06 [PATCH 1/2] sysctl: read() must consume poll events, not poll() Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-05-02 14:06 ` [PATCH 2/2] random: add fork_event sysctl for polling VM forks Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-05-02 15:40   ` Lennart Poettering
2022-05-02 16:12     ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-05-02 16:51       ` Lennart Poettering
2022-05-02 17:59         ` Alexander Graf
2022-05-02 18:29           ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-05-02 18:57             ` Alexander Graf
2022-05-02 20:03               ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-05-03  8:29           ` Lennart Poettering
2022-05-03 11:55             ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-05-03 12:33               ` Lennart Poettering [this message]
2022-05-02 18:04         ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-05-02 18:34           ` Alexander Graf
2022-05-02 18:46             ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-05-02 18:56               ` Alexander Graf
2022-05-02 19:27                 ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-05-02 19:41                   ` Alexander Graf
2022-05-04 15:45             ` Michael Kelley (LINUX)
2022-05-02 18:44           ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-05-03  7:42           ` Lennart Poettering
2022-05-03  9:08             ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-05-03  9:32               ` Lennart Poettering
2022-05-03 10:07                 ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-05-03 12:42                   ` Lennart Poettering
2022-05-11  0:40   ` Simo Sorce
2022-05-11  1:18     ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-05-11 12:59       ` Simo Sorce
2022-05-11 13:19         ` Alexander Graf
2022-05-11 13:19         ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-05-11 14:32           ` Simo Sorce
2022-05-11 13:20       ` Alexander Graf
2022-05-02 15:30 ` [PATCH 1/2] sysctl: read() must consume poll events, not poll() Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-05-02 15:43   ` Lennart Poettering
2022-05-03 11:27     ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-05-12 17:40       ` Luis Chamberlain
2022-05-12 18:29         ` Eric W. Biederman
2022-05-12 18:32           ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-05-12 18:22 ` Lucas De Marchi
2022-05-12 18:27   ` Jason A. Donenfeld

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