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From: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>
To: Gang Li <ligang.bdlg@bytedance.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/5 v1] mm, oom: Introduce per numa node oom for CONSTRAINT_MEMORY_POLICY
Date: Mon, 16 May 2022 18:44:58 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <YoJ/ioXwGTdCywUE@dhcp22.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20220512044634.63586-1-ligang.bdlg@bytedance.com>

On Thu 12-05-22 12:46:29, Gang Li wrote:
> TLDR:
> If a mempolicy is in effect(oc->constraint == CONSTRAINT_MEMORY_POLICY), out_of_memory() will
> select victim on specific node to kill. So that kernel can avoid accidental killing on NUMA system.
> 
> Problem:
> Before this patch series, oom will only kill the process with the highest memory usage.
> by selecting process with the highest oom_badness on the entire system to kill.
> 
> This works fine on UMA system, but may have some accidental killing on NUMA system.
> 
> As shown below, if process c.out is bind to Node1 and keep allocating pages from Node1,
> a.out will be killed first. But killing a.out did't free any mem on Node1, so c.out
> will be killed then.
> 
> A lot of our AMD machines have 8 numa nodes. In these systems, there is a greater chance
> of triggering this problem.

Sorry, I have only now found this email thread. The limitation of the
NUMA constrained oom is well known and long standing. Basically the
whole thing is a best effort as we are lacking per numa node memory
stats. I can see that you are trying to fill up that gap but this is
not really free. Have you measured the runtime overhead? Accounting is
done in a very performance sensitive paths and it would be rather
unfortunate to make everybody pay the overhead while binding to a
specific node or sets of nodes is not the most common usecase.

Also have you tried to have a look at cpusets? Those should be easier to
make a proper selection as it should be possible to iterate over tasks
belonging to a specific cpuset much more easier - essentialy something
similar to memcg oom killer. We do not do that right now and by a very
brief look at the CONSTRAINT_CPUSET it seems that this code is not
really doing much these days. Maybe that would be a more appropriate way
to deal with more precise node aware oom killing?

[...]
>  21 files changed, 317 insertions(+), 111 deletions(-)

The code footprint is not free either. And more importantnly does this
even work much more reliably? I can see quite some NUMA_NO_NODE
accounting (e.g. copy_pte_range!).Is this somehow fixable?

Also how do those numbers add up. Let's say you increase the counter as
NUMA_NO_NODE but later on during the clean up you decrease based on the
page node?

Last but not least I am really not following MM_NO_TYPE concept. I can
only see add_mm_counter users without any decrements. What is going on
there?
-- 
Michal Hocko
SUSE Labs

  parent reply	other threads:[~2022-05-16 16:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-05-12  4:46 [PATCH 0/5 v1] mm, oom: Introduce per numa node oom for CONSTRAINT_MEMORY_POLICY Gang Li
2022-05-12  4:46 ` [PATCH 1/5 v1] mm: add a new parameter `node` to `get/add/inc/dec_mm_counter` Gang Li
2022-05-12  4:46 ` [PATCH 2/5 v1] mm: add numa_count field for rss_stat Gang Li
2022-05-12 16:31   ` kernel test robot
2022-05-12  4:46 ` [PATCH 3/5 v1] mm: add numa fields for tracepoint rss_stat Gang Li
2022-05-12  4:46 ` [PATCH 4/5 v1] mm: enable per numa node rss_stat count Gang Li
2022-05-17  2:28   ` [mm] c9dc81ef10: BUG:Bad_rss-counter_state_mm:#node:#val kernel test robot
2022-05-17  2:28     ` kernel test robot
2022-05-12  4:46 ` [PATCH 5/5 v1] mm, oom: enable per numa node oom for CONSTRAINT_MEMORY_POLICY Gang Li
2022-05-12 22:31 ` [PATCH 0/5 v1] mm, oom: Introduce " Suren Baghdasaryan
2022-05-16 16:44 ` Michal Hocko [this message]
2022-06-15 10:13   ` Gang Li

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