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From: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
To: Vitaly Kuznetsov <vkuznets@redhat.com>
Cc: kvm@vger.kernel.org, Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	Anirudh Rayabharam <anrayabh@linux.microsoft.com>,
	Wanpeng Li <wanpengli@tencent.com>,
	Jim Mattson <jmattson@google.com>,
	Maxim Levitsky <mlevitsk@redhat.com>,
	Nathan Chancellor <nathan@kernel.org>,
	Michael Kelley <mikelley@microsoft.com>,
	linux-hyperv@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 03/26] x86/hyperv: Update 'struct hv_enlightened_vmcs' definition
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2022 15:31:26 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <YwTyzk2TiC226n33@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <YwTrlgeqoAqyH0KF@google.com>

On Tue, Aug 23, 2022, Sean Christopherson wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 23, 2022, Vitaly Kuznetsov wrote:
> > >> In any case, what we need, is an option for VMM (read: QEMU) to create
> > >> the configuration with 'TscScaling' filtered out even KVM supports the
> > >> bit in eVMCS. This way the guest will be able to migrate backwards to an
> > >> older KVM which doesn't support it, i.e.
> > >> 
> > >> '-cpu CascadeLake-Sever,hv-evmcs'
> > >>  creates the 'origin' eVMCS configuration, no TscScaling
> > >> 
> > >> '-cpu CascadeLake-Sever,hv-evmcs,hv-evmcs-2022' creates the updated one.
> 
> Ah, I see what you're worried about.  Your concern is that QEMU will add a VMX
> feature to a predefined CPU model, but only later gain eVMCS support, and so
> "CascadeLake-Server,hv-evmcs" will do different things depending on the KVM
> version.
> 
> But again, that's already reality.  Run "-cpu CascadeLake-Server" against a KVM
> from before commits:
> 
>   28c1c9fabf48 ("KVM/VMX: Emulate MSR_IA32_ARCH_CAPABILITIES")
>   1eaafe91a0df ("kvm: x86: IA32_ARCH_CAPABILITIES is always supported")
> 
> and it will fail.  There are undoubtedly many other features that are similarly
> affected, just go back far enough in KVM time.

The one potential issue I see is that KVM currently silently hides TSC_SCALING
and PERF_GLOBAL_CTRL, i.e. migrating from new KVM to old KVM may "succeed" and
then later fail a nested VM-Entry.

PERF_GLOBAL_CTRL is solved because Microsoft has conveniently provided a CPUID
bit.

TSC_SCALING is unlikely to be a problem since it's so new, but if we're worried
about someone doing e.g. "-cpu CascadeLake-Server,hv-evmcs,+vmx-tsc-scaling", then
we can add a KVM quirk to silently hide TSC_SCALING from the guest when eVMCS is
enabled.

  reply	other threads:[~2022-08-23 17:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-08-02 16:07 [PATCH v5 00/26] KVM: VMX: Support updated eVMCSv1 revision + use vmcs_config for L1 VMX MSRs Vitaly Kuznetsov
2022-08-02 16:07 ` [PATCH v5 01/26] KVM: x86: hyper-v: Expose access to debug MSRs in the partition privilege flags Vitaly Kuznetsov
2022-08-18 15:14   ` Sean Christopherson
2022-08-18 15:20     ` Vitaly Kuznetsov
2022-08-18 15:49       ` Sean Christopherson
2022-08-18 15:59         ` Vitaly Kuznetsov
2022-08-02 16:07 ` [PATCH v5 02/26] x86/hyperv: Fix 'struct hv_enlightened_vmcs' definition Vitaly Kuznetsov
2022-08-02 16:07 ` [PATCH v5 03/26] x86/hyperv: Update " Vitaly Kuznetsov
2022-08-18 15:21   ` Sean Christopherson
2022-08-18 15:29     ` Vitaly Kuznetsov
2022-08-18 17:57       ` Sean Christopherson
2022-08-22  9:18         ` Vitaly Kuznetsov
2022-08-22 15:55           ` Sean Christopherson
2022-08-22 16:21             ` Vitaly Kuznetsov
2022-08-22 17:01               ` Sean Christopherson
2022-08-22 17:46                 ` Vitaly Kuznetsov
2022-08-22 18:32                   ` Sean Christopherson
2022-08-23  7:33                     ` Vitaly Kuznetsov
2022-08-23 15:00                       ` Sean Christopherson
2022-08-23 15:31                         ` Sean Christopherson [this message]
2022-08-23 16:54                         ` Vitaly Kuznetsov
2022-08-23 20:16                           ` Sean Christopherson
2022-08-22 16:13           ` Sean Christopherson
2022-08-22 16:24             ` Vitaly Kuznetsov
2022-08-02 16:07 ` [PATCH v5 04/26] KVM: VMX: Define VMCS-to-EVMCS conversion for the new fields Vitaly Kuznetsov
2022-08-02 16:07 ` [PATCH v5 05/26] KVM: nVMX: Support several new fields in eVMCSv1 Vitaly Kuznetsov
2022-08-02 16:07 ` [PATCH v5 06/26] KVM: x86: hyper-v: Cache HYPERV_CPUID_NESTED_FEATURES CPUID leaf Vitaly Kuznetsov
2022-08-02 16:07 ` [PATCH v5 07/26] KVM: selftests: Add ENCLS_EXITING_BITMAP{,HIGH} VMCS fields Vitaly Kuznetsov
2022-08-02 16:07 ` [PATCH v5 08/26] KVM: selftests: Switch to updated eVMCSv1 definition Vitaly Kuznetsov
2022-08-02 16:07 ` [PATCH v5 09/26] KVM: VMX: nVMX: Support TSC scaling and PERF_GLOBAL_CTRL with enlightened VMCS Vitaly Kuznetsov
2022-08-18 17:15   ` Sean Christopherson
2022-08-19  8:06     ` Vitaly Kuznetsov
2022-08-19 17:02       ` Sean Christopherson
2022-08-22  8:47         ` Vitaly Kuznetsov
2022-08-22 16:50           ` Sean Christopherson
2022-08-22 17:49             ` Vitaly Kuznetsov
2022-08-18 17:19   ` Sean Christopherson
2022-08-19  7:42     ` Vitaly Kuznetsov
2022-08-19 14:49       ` Sean Christopherson
2022-08-19 15:07         ` Vitaly Kuznetsov
2022-08-02 16:07 ` [PATCH v5 10/26] KVM: selftests: Enable TSC scaling in evmcs selftest Vitaly Kuznetsov
2022-08-02 16:07 ` [PATCH v5 11/26] KVM: VMX: Get rid of eVMCS specific VMX controls sanitization Vitaly Kuznetsov
2022-08-02 16:07 ` [PATCH v5 12/26] KVM: VMX: Check VM_ENTRY_IA32E_MODE in setup_vmcs_config() Vitaly Kuznetsov
2022-08-02 16:07 ` [PATCH v5 13/26] KVM: VMX: Check CPU_BASED_{INTR,NMI}_WINDOW_EXITING " Vitaly Kuznetsov
2022-08-02 16:07 ` [PATCH v5 14/26] KVM: VMX: Tweak the special handling of SECONDARY_EXEC_ENCLS_EXITING " Vitaly Kuznetsov
2022-08-02 16:07 ` [PATCH v5 15/26] KVM: VMX: Don't toggle VM_ENTRY_IA32E_MODE for 32-bit kernels/KVM Vitaly Kuznetsov
2022-08-02 16:07 ` [PATCH v5 16/26] KVM: VMX: Extend VMX controls macro shenanigans Vitaly Kuznetsov
2022-08-02 16:07 ` [PATCH v5 17/26] KVM: VMX: Move CPU_BASED_CR8_{LOAD,STORE}_EXITING filtering out of setup_vmcs_config() Vitaly Kuznetsov
2022-08-02 16:07 ` [PATCH v5 18/26] KVM: VMX: Add missing VMEXIT controls to vmcs_config Vitaly Kuznetsov
2022-08-02 16:07 ` [PATCH v5 19/26] KVM: VMX: Add missing CPU based VM execution " Vitaly Kuznetsov
2022-08-02 16:07 ` [PATCH v5 20/26] KVM: VMX: Adjust CR3/INVPLG interception for EPT=y at runtime, not setup Vitaly Kuznetsov
2022-08-02 16:07 ` [PATCH v5 21/26] KVM: x86: VMX: Replace some Intel model numbers with mnemonics Vitaly Kuznetsov
2022-08-02 16:07 ` [PATCH v5 22/26] KVM: VMX: Move LOAD_IA32_PERF_GLOBAL_CTRL errata handling out of setup_vmcs_config() Vitaly Kuznetsov
2022-08-18 17:49   ` Sean Christopherson
2022-08-19  7:48     ` Vitaly Kuznetsov
2022-08-02 16:07 ` [PATCH v5 23/26] KVM: nVMX: Always set required-1 bits of pinbased_ctls to PIN_BASED_ALWAYSON_WITHOUT_TRUE_MSR Vitaly Kuznetsov
2022-08-02 16:07 ` [PATCH v5 24/26] KVM: nVMX: Use sanitized allowed-1 bits for VMX control MSRs Vitaly Kuznetsov
2022-08-02 16:07 ` [PATCH v5 25/26] KVM: VMX: Cache MSR_IA32_VMX_MISC in vmcs_config Vitaly Kuznetsov
2022-08-02 16:07 ` [PATCH v5 26/26] KVM: nVMX: Use cached host MSR_IA32_VMX_MISC value for setting up nested MSR Vitaly Kuznetsov

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