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From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>
To: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
Cc: John Hubbard <jhubbard@nvidia.com>,
	Yang Shi <shy828301@gmail.com>,
	peterx@redhat.com, kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com,
	hughd@google.com, akpm@linux-foundation.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] mm: gup: fix the fast GUP race against THP collapse
Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2022 11:30:44 -0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <YxdZlCly2ad1rtcI@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4516a349-49cb-fd7b-176a-f1a9479906d9@redhat.com>

On Tue, Sep 06, 2022 at 03:57:30PM +0200, David Hildenbrand wrote:

> > READ_ONCE primarily is a marker that the data being read is unstable
> > and that the compiler must avoid all instability when reading it. eg
> > in this case the compiler could insanely double read the value, even
> > though the 'if' requires only a single read. This would result in
> > corrupt calculation.
> 
> As we have a full memory barrier + compile barrier, the compiler might
> indeed do double reads and all that stuff. BUT, it has to re-read after we
> incremented the refcount, and IMHO that's the important part to detect the
> change.

Yes, it is important, but it is not the only important part.

The compiler still has to exectute "if (*a != b)" *correctly*.

This is what READ_ONCE is for. It doesn't set order, it doesn't
implement a barrier, it tells the compiler that '*a' is unstable data
and the compiler cannot make assumptions based on the idea that
reading '*a' multiple times will always return the same value.

If the compiler makes those assumptions then maybe even though 'if (*a
!= b)' is the reality, it could mis-compute '*a == b'. You enter into
undefined behavior here.

Though it is all very unlikely, the general memory model standard is
to annotate with READ_ONCE.

Jason


  reply	other threads:[~2022-09-06 14:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-09-01 22:27 [PATCH] mm: gup: fix the fast GUP race against THP collapse Yang Shi
2022-09-01 23:26 ` Peter Xu
2022-09-01 23:50   ` Yang Shi
2022-09-02  6:39     ` David Hildenbrand
2022-09-02 15:23       ` Yang Shi
2022-09-02 15:59     ` Peter Xu
2022-09-02 16:04       ` Peter Xu
2022-09-02 17:30       ` Yang Shi
2022-09-02 17:45       ` Yang Shi
2022-09-02 20:33         ` Peter Xu
2022-09-05  8:56           ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2022-09-05  8:54         ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2022-09-06 19:07           ` Yang Shi
2022-09-07  4:50             ` Aneesh Kumar K V
2022-09-07  4:50               ` Aneesh Kumar K V
2022-09-07 17:08               ` Yang Shi
2022-09-07 17:08                 ` Yang Shi
2022-09-04 22:21       ` John Hubbard
2022-09-02  6:42 ` David Hildenbrand
2022-09-04 22:29 ` John Hubbard
2022-09-05  7:59   ` David Hildenbrand
2022-09-05 10:16     ` Baolin Wang
2022-09-05 10:24       ` David Hildenbrand
2022-09-05 11:11         ` David Hildenbrand
2022-09-05 14:35           ` Baolin Wang
2022-09-05 14:40             ` David Hildenbrand
2022-09-06  5:53               ` Baolin Wang
2022-09-06  2:12     ` John Hubbard
2022-09-06 12:50       ` David Hildenbrand
2022-09-06 13:47     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-09-06 13:57       ` David Hildenbrand
2022-09-06 14:30         ` Jason Gunthorpe [this message]
2022-09-06 14:44           ` David Hildenbrand
2022-09-06 15:33             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-09-06 19:11             ` Yang Shi
2022-09-06 23:16             ` John Hubbard
2022-09-06 19:01     ` Yang Shi
2022-09-05  9:03   ` Baolin Wang
2022-09-06 18:50   ` Yang Shi
2022-09-06 21:27     ` John Hubbard

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