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From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>
To: Sean Hefty <shefty@nvidia.com>
Cc: Bernard Metzler <BMT@zurich.ibm.com>,
	Roland Dreier <roland@enfabrica.net>,
	Nikolay Aleksandrov <nikolay@enfabrica.net>,
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	"kuba@kernel.org" <kuba@kernel.org>,
	Paolo Abeni <pabeni@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 00/13] Ultra Ethernet driver introduction
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2025 12:53:29 -0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Z+Qi+XxYizfhr06P@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <DM6PR12MB43137AE666F19784D2832030BDA62@DM6PR12MB4313.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>

On Wed, Mar 26, 2025 at 03:29:01PM +0000, Sean Hefty wrote:
> > > > If I understand UEC's job semantics correctly, then the local scope
> > > > of a job may span multiple local ports from multiple local devices.
> > > > It would of course translate into device specific reservations.
> > >
> > > Agreed.  I should have said job id/address has a network address
> > > scope.  For example, job 3 at 10.0.0.1 _may_ be a different logical
> > > job than job 3 at 10.0.0.2.  Or they could also belong to the same
> > > logical job.  Or the same logical job may use different job id values
> > > for different network addresses.
> > >
> > > A device-centric model is more aligned with the RDMA stack.  IMO,
> > > higher-level SW would then be responsible for configuring and managing
> > > the logical job.  For example, maybe it needs to assign and configure
> > > non-RDMA resources as well.  For that reason, I would push the logical
> > > job management outside the kernel subsystem.
> > 
> > Like I said already, I think Job needs to be a first class RDMA object that is used
> > by all transports that have job semantics.
> 
> How do you handle or expose device specific resource allocations or
> restrictions, which may be needed?  Should a kernel 'RDMA job
> manager' abstract device level resources?
> 
> Consider a situation where a MR or MW should only be accessible by a
> specific job.  When the MR is created, the device specific job
> resource may be needed.  Should drivers need to query the job
> manager to map some global object to a device specific resource?

I imagine for cases like that the job would be linked to the PD and
then MR -> PD -> Job.

The kernel side would create any HW object for the job when the PD is
created for a specific HW device.

The PD security semantic for the MR would be a little bit different in
that the PD is more like a shared PD.

Jason

  reply	other threads:[~2025-03-26 15:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 76+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-03-06 23:01 [RFC PATCH 00/13] Ultra Ethernet driver introduction Nikolay Aleksandrov
2025-03-06 23:01 ` [RFC PATCH 01/13] drivers: ultraeth: add initial skeleton and kconfig option Nikolay Aleksandrov
2025-03-06 23:01 ` [RFC PATCH 02/13] drivers: ultraeth: add context support Nikolay Aleksandrov
2025-03-06 23:01 ` [RFC PATCH 03/13] drivers: ultraeth: add new genl family Nikolay Aleksandrov
2025-03-06 23:01 ` [RFC PATCH 04/13] drivers: ultraeth: add job support Nikolay Aleksandrov
2025-03-06 23:01 ` [RFC PATCH 05/13] drivers: ultraeth: add tunnel udp device support Nikolay Aleksandrov
2025-03-06 23:01 ` [RFC PATCH 06/13] drivers: ultraeth: add initial PDS infrastructure Nikolay Aleksandrov
2025-03-06 23:01 ` [RFC PATCH 07/13] drivers: ultraeth: add request and ack receive support Nikolay Aleksandrov
2025-03-06 23:01 ` [RFC PATCH 08/13] drivers: ultraeth: add request transmit support Nikolay Aleksandrov
2025-03-06 23:01 ` [RFC PATCH 09/13] drivers: ultraeth: add support for coalescing ack Nikolay Aleksandrov
2025-03-06 23:02 ` [RFC PATCH 10/13] drivers: ultraeth: add sack support Nikolay Aleksandrov
2025-03-06 23:02 ` [RFC PATCH 11/13] drivers: ultraeth: add nack support Nikolay Aleksandrov
2025-03-06 23:02 ` [RFC PATCH 12/13] drivers: ultraeth: add initiator and target idle timeout support Nikolay Aleksandrov
2025-03-06 23:02 ` [RFC PATCH 13/13] HACK: drivers: ultraeth: add char device Nikolay Aleksandrov
2025-03-08 18:46 ` [RFC PATCH 00/13] Ultra Ethernet driver introduction Leon Romanovsky
2025-03-09  3:21   ` Parav Pandit
2025-03-11 14:20     ` Bernard Metzler
2025-03-11 14:55       ` Leon Romanovsky
2025-03-11 17:11       ` Sean Hefty
2025-03-12  9:20         ` Nikolay Aleksandrov
2025-03-12  9:40   ` Nikolay Aleksandrov
2025-03-12 11:29     ` Leon Romanovsky
2025-03-12 14:20       ` Nikolay Aleksandrov
2025-03-12 15:10         ` Leon Romanovsky
2025-03-12 16:00           ` Nikolay Aleksandrov
2025-03-14 14:53           ` Bernard Metzler
2025-03-17 12:52             ` Leon Romanovsky
2025-03-19 13:52             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-03-19 14:02               ` Nikolay Aleksandrov
2025-03-14 20:51           ` Stanislav Fomichev
2025-03-17 12:30             ` Leon Romanovsky
2025-03-19 19:12               ` Stanislav Fomichev
2025-03-15 20:49           ` Netlink vs ioctl WAS(Re: " Jamal Hadi Salim
2025-03-17 12:57             ` Leon Romanovsky
2025-03-18 22:49             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-03-19 18:21               ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2025-03-19 19:19                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-03-25 14:12                   ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2025-03-26 15:50                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-04-08 14:16                       ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2025-04-09 16:10                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-03-19 16:48 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-03-20 11:13   ` Yunsheng Lin
2025-03-20 14:32     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-03-20 20:05       ` Sean Hefty
2025-03-20 20:12         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-03-21  2:02           ` Yunsheng Lin
2025-03-21 12:01             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-03-24 20:22   ` Roland Dreier
2025-03-24 21:28     ` Sean Hefty
2025-03-25 13:22       ` Bernard Metzler
2025-03-25 17:02         ` Sean Hefty
2025-03-26 14:45           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-03-26 15:29             ` Sean Hefty
2025-03-26 15:53               ` Jason Gunthorpe [this message]
2025-03-26 17:39                 ` Sean Hefty
2025-03-27 13:26                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-03-28 12:20                     ` Yunsheng Lin
2025-03-31 19:49                       ` Sean Hefty
2025-04-01  9:19                         ` Yunsheng Lin
2025-03-31 19:29                     ` Sean Hefty
2025-04-01 13:04                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-04-01 16:57                         ` Sean Hefty
2025-04-01 19:39                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-04-03  1:30                             ` Sean Hefty
2025-04-04 16:03                             ` Ziemba, Ian
2025-04-05  1:07                               ` Sean Hefty
2025-04-07 19:32                                 ` Ziemba, Ian
2025-04-08  4:40                                   ` Sean Hefty
2025-04-16 23:58                                   ` Sean Hefty
2025-04-17  1:23                                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-04-17  2:59                                       ` Sean Hefty
2025-04-17 13:31                                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-04-18 16:50                                           ` Sean Hefty
2025-04-22 15:44                                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-03-26 15:16     ` Jason Gunthorpe

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